PS3 security is "epic fail"

[kolla]

Piracy won't affect Sony at first, it'll affect publishers and then they'll pass that onto developers who will lose revenue and make people redundant like me.

So? Why should I feel more sorry for you than other people who lose revenue and become redundant, people who do far more important work and lose their jobs because of far more silly reasons than yours? You almost make Sony sound like some sort of charity organization, which I'm sure it's not.

[Grapple Convoy]

I look forward to being able to load a PS2 emulator so I don't have to have both machines hooked up. I have a PS3 slim, so they'd long since removed that feature.

The PS3 Slim doesn't have any of the PS2 hardware onboard, either the 'Emotion Engine' CPU or the graphics processor, so it'd be impossible for the Slim to emulate the PS2.

[tone007]

My PC doesn't have any PS2 hardware on board either, but that's where emulation comes in. http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/ps2/

[Arkhan]

The PS3 Slim doesn't have any of the PS2 hardware onboard, either the 'Emotion Engine' CPU or the graphics processor, so it'd be impossible for the Slim to emulate the PS2.

uh, the backwards compatibility isn't emulation, lol.

the lack of PS2 hardware is what makes emulation possible (mandatory) to play PS2 games.

deurrrrrr

[ChaosLord]

Can brand new PS3s play PS2 games?

[Grapple Convoy]

The PS3's GPU doesn't have a high enough fill-rate to emulate the PS2's GPU(!), that has been commonly documented. Therefore any PS3 without PS2 hardware onboard will never run PS2 software. (I have a launch model 60Gb PS3, PAL, which has the GPU and not the Emotion Engine CPU, and even on that, the PS2 backward compatibility is unfortunately limited.)

[Grapple Convoy]

Can brand new PS3s play PS2 games?

No. Only the PS3 models released before October/November 2007 can play PS2 software, and then only the earliest North American and Japanese PS3s have full hardware-based PS2 compatibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3#Model_comparison

[Pentad]

Root Key has been posted now:

http://kotaku.com/5723105/hacker-claims-to-have-the-ps3s-front-door-keys


Great for the Linux community!


I know people think piracy but here at the university we had a lab of PS3s running Mathematica under Linux because it was cheaper than PC/Macs.  No kidding.

[ChaosLord]

Which key is it that I need to write my own games for PS3?

[Fats]

It Sony's fault for putting a lock on their hardware to protect illegally copied software from running, and it was this action that FORCED the hackers to break that lock, plus its Sony's fault for making the PS3 too cheap and for not selling software at the price buyers want to pay, and its Sony's fault that people want their software for free?

To me it is simple. It should be legal to hack something one has bought to do whatever one wants to do with it; be it software or hardware. EULAs should be overruled by law it they try to prevent that. Business models that are not compatible with this have to adapt.

It should and is illegal to use something one has not bought; be it stolen hardware or copied software. People not abiding by this may get punished. Piracy needs to be prevented, and services like piratebay IMO may be shut down or blocked until these sites finds a way to remove most of the links to illegal stuff on their site.

greets,
Staf.

[rvo_nl]

The PS3's GPU doesn't have a high enough fill-rate to emulate the PS2's GPU(!), that has been commonly documented. Therefore any PS3 without PS2 hardware onboard will never run PS2 software. (I have a launch model 60Gb PS3, PAL, which has the GPU and not the Emotion Engine CPU, and even on that, the PS2 backward compatibility is unfortunately limited.)

I feel a bit ashamed talking about PS3 on an Amiga forum, to be honest.. but I do have 2 questions, which I hope someone can answer.
 
I never knew about the 2 different GPU's inside the PS3.. If that is true, then which of those 2 is regarded the best second-hand PS3 to buy? I do have a PS2 that Im keeping.

Also, its only a matter of time before this allows us to play pirated games.. do I need to worry about being blocked from the Playstation Network at all when doing this? Im not going to do any online gaming or downloading.. if possible I dont even plan to connect it to anything.

[billt]

So

1.  you have doors with locks in your house, or your businesses has doors with locks to the premises, and when a thief breaks in its your fault, because you fitted locks?

2.  I see a fridge I want to buy in a retail shop.  i walk in and want it for less.  The seller says no.  I drive a truck through the stores front door, take the fridge and leave the sum of money I wanted to pay for it, and this is OK, because its the retailers fault for not selling the fridge at the price I wanted to pay for it.  Afteral its just the market "self-correcting".  Sure, try that in front of a Court.

It's more like if you bought a refridgerator with an icemaker feature included, and a few years later they force their way into your office, tell you sorry, they've decided that you are no longer allowed to make ice cubes even though you've peacefully enjoyed ice cubes for a long time, and forcefully remove the icemaker to take with them. The guys doing this want their icemaker back.

[A1260]

Hacker Claims To Have The PS3's Front Door Keys...

http://kotaku.com/5723105/hacker-claims-to-have-the-ps3s-front-door-keys

it seems pirated games will be virtually undetectable in this case unlike the risk over-present in the xbox360. i predict a significant jump in sales of ps3s within the year.

[AJCopland]

So? Why should I feel more sorry for you than other people who lose revenue and become redundant, people who do far more important work and lose their jobs because of far more silly reasons than yours? You almost make Sony sound like some sort of charity organization, which I'm sure it's not.

Maybe I'm suggesting that it'd be nice if you thought well of anyone who gets screwed over by the unfortunate side effects of the actions of others.

I'm not saying Sony are a charitable organisation, in fact I stated that the release of the keys and the enabling of the otherOS feature is a positive action that they deserved after their stupid and short sighted, borderline illegal I felt, removal of the OtherOS feature.

What I also said was that it is sad that people think that the piracy it will enable will not happen and will not affect people when I know that for some platforms I used to develop for, it already has.

I'm trying to be quite reasonable here, I just stated something about which I have direct and personal experience of.

Andy

[AJCopland]

I feel a bit ashamed talking about PS3 on an Amiga forum, to be honest.. but I do have 2 questions, which I hope someone can answer.
 
I never knew about the 2 different GPU's inside the PS3.. If that is true, then which of those 2 is regarded the best second-hand PS3 to buy? I do have a PS2 that Im keeping.

Also, its only a matter of time before this allows us to play pirated games.. do I need to worry about being blocked from the Playstation Network at all when doing this? Im not going to do any online gaming or downloading.. if possible I dont even plan to connect it to anything.

You'll need one of the older fat PS3s, early revisions with the most usb ports and 20GB or 60GB HDDs sold in the US or Japan... I think! Best to do some reading about it online although keeping a PS2 lying around wouldn't be a bad idea instead

I don't think people know what the effect will be on the online stuff yet. It might be nothing but it'll probably be worth keeping the PS3 offline when playing homebrew stuff at first. People get away with this on the Xbox360 already.

Other than that just don't pirate anything I wrote pwetty pwease

Andy

[AJCopland]

I know people think piracy but here at the university we had a lab of PS3s running Mathematica under Linux because it was cheaper than PC/Macs.  No kidding.

Now that's what I'm glad it's been posted for, I think Sony really were behaving like dicks when they removed the feature from existing machines. It was just a really mean spirited and stupid thing to do. I wish someone could have gotten together a lawsuit and forced the otherOS issue at the time.

Andy