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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #89 on: January 01, 2011, 04:50:33 PM »
Gonna chime in on the piracy part. People tend to think that it's a non-issue and that in some cases piracy even "helps" sales. There's _sometimes_ a grain of truth but it's not all of the time or all of the cases.

We've had projects canned and titles cancelled during development for the PC simply because the piracy rate has become so problematic that you might have most people _playing_ your game on the PC, but you've got the most people that have _bought_ your game on the consoles. As a result the publishers simply pull the plug on the PC version entirely.

It doesn't lose the publisher much revenue but for the developer they can have just lost an entire platforms profits and royalties. Of course the PC version can often have a much longer shelf life vs consoles so now you've also got to rely entirely on making your profits and royalties on the launch week of your game... so hopefully there's nothing like Gran Tourismo or something launching at the same time or you'll get literally NOTHING.

So, I think Sony were a bit crap when they removed the OtherOS option, especially as it still listed it on the boxes when the machines were on sale! Removing functionality that people have bought your hardware to use is dishonest I think.

However this does enable piracy, it will mean that it happens more now, and I have been personally affected by piracy in the past. In fact I'm redundant at the moment due to the games industry going through a lot of strife right now so I'm not keen on that side of things.

Dunno where I'm going with all this :) just bored and hungover on Jan 1st I guess!

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« Reply #90 on: January 01, 2011, 05:31:29 PM »
Sheesh, what's wrong with you people - piracy is totally irrelevant here.
Are you guys suggesting that people should stop tinkering with devices because it may make piracy possible? That's just doesn't make any sense at all. The point is that Sony messed up and now have to face the consequences, which is that their oh so protected plattform is now unwrapped and open, and this is not because someone did anything illegal, but because of their own incompetence. That's all, really.
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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #91 on: January 01, 2011, 06:10:12 PM »
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Are you guys suggesting that people should stop tinkering with devices  
No. as I have said there are loads of companies and devices out their that want people to make interesting hack for them. X1000 and its Xmos chip for one.  Also the hacks for say Kinect type devices I don't have much of problem with as its not going to affect piracy and infact any good use for it that come about will only boost hardware sales of the devices.
 
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piracy is totally irrelevant here. The point is that Sony messed up and now have to face the consequence
And what consequence are you referring to if not losing sales to piracy because of these hacks.

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their oh so protected platform is now unwrapped and open, and this is not because someone did anything illegal, but because of their own incompetence.
I think forcing a closed IP system open is illegal.

I still think its all still bs that they want to just be able to explore what's possible with Ps3 hardware, that fine, get a fat ps3 restore to original firmware and have fun in the OtherOS area, why do you need to have access to the latest firmware or PSNetwork?

Plus I only just remember that PS3 has full flash support meaning you can play flash games via their browser, hardly a completely closed system.
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« Reply #92 on: January 01, 2011, 06:15:59 PM »
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And what consequence are you referring to if not losing sales to piracy because of these hacks.

Agreed that piracy will now be a possibility due to the work that was done during the hacks.  But, the only reason the hacking work was done was to reinstate the ability to run Linux that Sony wrongfully (in my opinion) took away.  Piracy will now be a consequence of this unfortunately, but that was not the goal of the hacking effort.

The bottom line is, if Sony hadn't taken the OtherOS option away then their console wouldn't have been hacked and piracy would not presently be an issue.  So, in my opinion, it's their own fault.

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #93 on: January 01, 2011, 06:20:53 PM »
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I think forcing a closed IP system open is illegal.
 

In the US at least, under the DMCA it most likely is.
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #94 on: January 01, 2011, 06:35:31 PM »
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In the US at least, under the DMCA it most likely is.


Not according to both the library of congress and U.S. District Judge Philip Gutierrez

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/xbox-judge-riled/#more-21207
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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #95 on: January 01, 2011, 06:39:22 PM »
Has a decision been reached in that case yet?
 

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« Reply #96 on: January 01, 2011, 06:52:57 PM »
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Has a decision been reached in that case yet?


Government dropped it's case...


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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #97 on: January 01, 2011, 06:56:09 PM »
Ah nice.
I wonder if this will set a precedent going forward.
Wasn't there a similar ruling on jailbreaking phones recently, or was that an exception granted by library of congress?
 

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« Reply #98 on: January 01, 2011, 06:58:15 PM »
I don't own a PS3 but I'm going to buy one now just to play around writing code for it.

I doubt I'll ever buy a game for it nor will I pirate any games either.
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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #99 on: January 01, 2011, 06:59:20 PM »
That was the exception granted by the library of congress in August if I recall.
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« Reply #100 on: January 01, 2011, 07:09:40 PM »
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No. as I have said there are loads of companies and devices out their that want people to make interesting hack for them.
So you are suggesting that people should stop tinkering with devices if the manufactorer disapproves. Right?

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And what consequence are you referring to if not losing sales to piracy because of these hacks.
The opening of the PS3 hardware might have many consequences that collides with Sony's business idea for the PS3. Such as third party operating systems, improved media center functionality (at last), games being developed outside Sony's ecosphere etc. just like we've seen on the other consoles that have been opened.

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I think forcing a closed IP system open is illegal.
A totally irrelevant comment, noone is forcing anything and the "closed" IP system only appeared to be closed. On closer inspection it was not closed at all, perhaps it was intended to be closed, but in the end it was wide open.

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I still think its all still bs that they want to just be able to explore what's possible with Ps3 hardware, that fine, get a fat ps3 restore to original firmware and have fun in the OtherOS area, why do you need to have access to the latest firmware or PSNetwork?
Why not? That's what one pay for, right? Now you can decide for yourself what needs you have and run whatever firmware you like, it is how it should have been from the start from a customers POV.

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Plus I only just remember that PS3 has full flash support meaning you can play flash games via their browser, hardly a completely closed system.


We have already established that is a completely open system by now.

I really don't understand your agenda in this discussion.
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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #101 on: January 01, 2011, 07:30:01 PM »
Anyone defending Sony, probably can't remember their previous anti piracy scandle involving rootkit installed on to windows PC from audio CD's, opening the OS to other malware. Sony deserves everything it gets.

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« Reply #102 on: January 01, 2011, 07:40:53 PM »
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Anyone defending Sony, probably can't remember their previous anti piracy scandle involving rootkit installed on to windows PC from audio CD's, opening the OS to other malware. Sony deserves everything it gets.
 
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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #103 on: January 01, 2011, 09:06:37 PM »
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I don't own a PS3 but I'm going to buy one now just to play around writing code for it.

I doubt I'll ever buy a game for it nor will I pirate any games either.

the makers of Ico and Shadow of the Colossus come with a new game called The Last Guardian....
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/142/14230646.html

video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPpCKjFrXzE

Ico
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Shadow of the Colossus
http://ps2.ign.com/objects/490/490849.html



other great games..

heavy rain..
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/811/811232.html

the uncharted drake series...
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http://ps3.ign.com/objects/142/14225971.html
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/094/094314.html

red dead redemtion
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/748/748481.html
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/080/080424.html

gt5
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/857/857126.html

gods of war 3
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/886/886158.html

these are just a few games that you will buy or pirate, thats for sure..
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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
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