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Offline motorollin

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #149 from previous page: December 28, 2010, 01:25:28 PM »
I really don't understand why people are getting so angry about this.

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #150 on: December 28, 2010, 02:05:54 PM »
The problem with AGA was the needs of many users changed, and it wasn't just games.  Web browsing became graphics heavy and we needed larger screens with thousands of colors to view web pages as intended at decent speed and without scrolling all the time, people wanted to use 24 bit image processors and 3D renderers with windowing environments.  There were 24 bit boards before AGA came out for such reasons, but when I bought my A1200, i wasn't in to that software and couldn't afford the hardware-either on PC, MAc or Amiga.  The A1200 let me upgrade as and when I could.

Looking back on it though I now realise my A1200 was never designed to run the software I now wanted to run.  But the software that was designed for it, ran well:  On a multiscan mnonitor, Workbench in 8 colors and DBLPAL overscan is a good approximation to 800x600 and very nippy, DPaint 5 and Brilliance 2 run great in DBLPAL modes in upto 256 colors, wordprocesssing/DTP is fine in 8-64 colors, Scala, CanDo, Amigavision are fine for AGA multimedia.  But I now had Cinema 4D, ImageFx, Photogenics 5, Art Effect, Ibrowse, Mac emulators:  all of these were transformed by my Cybervision board.

I tried to hang on to AGA on an A1200 for as long as I could and used umpteen patches to speed things along-and it frustrated me no end that I couldn't use my software to its full potential because of AGA's limitations.
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #151 on: December 28, 2010, 02:40:16 PM »
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I really don't understand why people are getting so angry about this.

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Me either.  
Maybe it's because it's soooo cold in the northern hemisphere at the moment I guess they're trying to stay warm....
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #152 on: December 28, 2010, 02:56:11 PM »
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Me either.  
Maybe it's because it's soooo cold in the northern hemisphere at the moment I guess they're trying to stay warm....


I'm in the northern hemisphere too :)
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #153 on: December 28, 2010, 03:49:34 PM »
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Yeah! I am so digging this idea. The whole NG vs legacy arguement is damned silly. We already have really fast systems that implement and expand on all AOS operations and the hold back crowd still uses the "I don't want it if it won't run 100% of my software" or the "I'm waiting for the Natami because its a REAL Amiga not emulation" (yeah, right).

It will be very cool to see an NG system with all that wonderful eye candy, processing power, and modern features seemlessly run all the legacy software that everyone seems to think is so important.

If these guys don't watch out, CUSA hardware may wind up being every bit as Amiga as their own (and faster, more modern, cheaper, etc).
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #154 on: December 28, 2010, 03:53:15 PM »
@ fishy_fiz
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Seriously, its conversations like you 2 are having that make me wonder why Im here.....


Don't worry I've been asking myself that same question for nearly 47 years now, the best answer I can come up  with is, me dad obviously wasn't wearing a condom... :)

@ gertsy & motoroliin

It was early doors and I was still half asleep (I'd only woke up to go for a pee) when my big nose began twitching with an AGA dissing alert and me automatic defence reactions sprang to life... :)

Next thing you know two old codgers are battling it out in the latest episode of Grandad Wars - The Battle For AGA, and the result is the bloody battlefield of half chewed posts you see scattered here all over the org... :)

(PS:I'm in neither hemisphere... I'm currently floating gently in the upper stratosphere... :afro:)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #155 on: December 28, 2010, 04:21:01 PM »
I have to apologize myself for formenting such strong contentions.

As I explained simply to Franko, its the Irish in me.

I like AGA, but I wanted us to rule the world! Oh, better go take the medication.

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #156 on: December 28, 2010, 04:35:27 PM »
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Doom running on 386SX33 with 16bit bus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vETjEH0Vo9I


There's obviously different definitions of "runs fine" in use here.
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #157 on: December 28, 2010, 04:36:08 PM »
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I don't recall spending  $1500 for Intel Celeron-A (Mendocino) + LuckyTech P6ZX3 (Intel 440ZX) + NVIDIA TNT2 M64 in the late 90s.


Well, you're down under, and I grew up in Denmark. Prices were likely rather different.
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #158 on: December 31, 2010, 12:46:16 AM »
So this thread has appeared again! it's been a few years since the last one :)  

My answer is the same as then, AGA was cool but slow. I think we can blame the later commodore management for that, we all know by now what Haynie and crew wanted in there.

Even so, for viewing pictures, creating 2d artwork, and viewing 3d renders- it was cool, hundreds of thousands of colours in high rez cool (for 1992). Just a shame they never got workbench running in HAM/8.
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #159 on: December 31, 2010, 12:57:27 AM »
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So this thread has appeared again! it's been a few years since the last one :)
 
My answer is the same as then, AGA was cool but slow. I think we can blame the later commodore management for that, we all know by now what Haynie and crew wanted in there.
 
Even so, for viewing pictures, creating 2d artwork, and viewing 3d renders- it was cool, hundreds of thousands of colours in high rez cool (for 1992). Just a shame they never got workbench running in HAM/8.

Wasn't there even tools for converting jpg to HAM8, or did I imagine that?
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #160 on: December 31, 2010, 03:52:10 AM »
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #161 on: December 31, 2010, 09:31:30 AM »
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My answer is the same as then, AGA was cool but slow.  


AGA would be cool if AGA would be appeared in 1990.


In 1992, AGA was crap.
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #162 on: January 03, 2011, 02:17:18 PM »
I agree that something better should have appeared by in the A500+.
But would AGA have been seen as so bad if it had more processor power backing it up, more RAM, and more disk storage? These were also problems that (I think) the base A1200 had.
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