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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #224 from previous page: December 20, 2010, 02:02:04 AM »
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If you ever came to one of our gigs you'd see my shameless attention seeking stagewear ;)

Some of the previous posts were a bit unnecessarily derogatory


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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #225 on: December 20, 2010, 02:07:12 AM »
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If you ever came to one of our gigs you'd see my shameless attention seeking stagewear ;)


Well, keyboardists always get a rum deal on stage...

Either forced to stand behind a their instruments, or worse yet (and thankfully this died the death it deserved) get a keytar and look really ridiculous.

So I decided I needed to play guitar too :lol:
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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #226 on: December 20, 2010, 03:19:31 AM »
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Well, keyboardists always get a rum deal on stage...

Either forced to stand behind a their instruments, or worse yet (and thankfully this died the death it deserved) get a keytar and look really ridiculous.

So I decided I needed to play guitar too :lol:


Keytar is coming back in a big way, man.

Just like Amiga.

I think "what happened to the real Amiga community" is that they got tired of riding the rollercoaster.  Product speculation, announcements, anticipation, lawsuits, vaporware and infighting all conspired to drive away all but the most die-hard drama queens in the group.  They decided that it was time to get on with using computers in new and exciting ways NOW instead of waiting for some underfunded dream company to produce a piece of messianic hardware (or software) that would catapult the Amiga platform to the forefront of computing technology, a place it has not really occupied since 1990.

It isn't 1984 anymore.  You can't come up with ground-breaking hardware without huge R&D and marketing budgets.  I'm sure that there will be great stuff like the Replay board and whatnot coming out of the Amiga community, but that is about it.  We're at a stage now where desktops are no longer the main platform for the average computer user.  Think about what that means -- in 1984 the average home computer user was a hobbyist or a teenager with smart parents.  People who used computers to do anything but play games were either engineers or geeks and they were easy to sway with a few extra colors or a little higher resolution or even another 64K of RAM.  But here we are in 2010 (!) so if whoever owns Amiga comes out with some new uber-desktop it won't matter if it can because it will just be a desktop.  You won't be able to touch the screen or tell it to dial your mom's house or mount it on your dash and have it tell you where the nearest pizza place that serves gluten-free food is (good luck with that if you need one.)

The computing world has gotten so much further than pull-down screens or drive letter aliases or any of the other things that once made Amiga awesome to use.  OS4 is nice, but it is still back in 2000 in terms of UI design and user-friendliness.  To make a real splash, the new Amiga OS would have to be super slick and a complete departure from the current desktop concept.  And it would have to be on handheld hardware.  And have thousands of applications to run on it.  Too bad Apple and Google have already gotten themselves entrenched in the smartphone and tablet markets.  Even Palm is flagging, and they've got a hell of an OS.

But the reality is, Amiga lives.  Yay.  I hope somebody does something cool with the new X1000 or the Replay AGA Minimig.  How about an Amiga Tablet with a Touch UI and an FPGA emulator that runs Android and iOS stuff in the background?   Hehe.
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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #227 on: December 20, 2010, 04:27:12 AM »
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How about an Amiga Tablet with a Touch UI and an FPGA emulator that runs Android and iOS stuff in the background?   Hehe.


In the next revision of MorphOS (probably 2.8) we should see support for Powerbooks. 'Amiga' laptops anyone? Tablets? That can't be too far off either.
For a 'dead' computer, the market seems pretty lively.
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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #228 on: December 20, 2010, 04:49:54 AM »
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In the next revision of MorphOS (probably 2.8) we should see support for Powerbooks. 'Amiga' laptops anyone? Tablets? That can't be too far off either.
For a 'dead' computer, the market seems pretty lively.

The "Wolf"man will probably be along to point out to you that he does not think that PowerBook support will be included in MorphOS until a version "After" v2.8, due to some comments by some of the MorphOS Dev. Team members.

What ever version PowerBook support does come to MorphOS, be it 2.8, 2.9, or later, it will be a great day for Amiga users that are still clinging to the PPC architecture (like me, sort of, I have had AmigaOS3.x running on a laptop since around AmigaForever v2, on my very first x86 computer at home, an off-brand 400MHz Celeron laptop which I later upgraded to a 533MHz Celeron (as far as it could go)).

I am very much looking forward to running MorphOS2.8, or 2.9, or a later version if it needs to wait longer to get it right, on my 1.67GHz G4 17-inch widescreen PowerBook that I bought on eBay a few months ago in MINT condition, with a 2 year warranty.  Having MorphOS on a great laptop like the PowerBook, where at 1.67GHz it is really going to fly, is going to be a fantastic step forward, and will get me using MorphOS much more than I do now, since I am unable to sit at a desk in a chair for more than a few minutes at a time, due to my back condition.

As for your prediction of an Amiga tablet being possible not too far off, unless it is an x86 table running UAE, I am not aware of any PPC tablets that would be candidates for AmigaOS4.x, or MorphOS2.x.
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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #229 on: December 20, 2010, 07:20:56 AM »
I'll start of by saying that I have no illusions that the Amiga will be taking over the world.  That being said, each year, there is a better chance of Amiga making a come back.  Sure phones are hip right now, but as far as desktops go, I would say that a desktop actually DOESN'T need thousands of apps to be successful.  The number of apps needed is dropping dramatically.   Fewer people are gaming on PCs, or at least a smaller percentage of the whole.  More and more apps are moving to the web.  I would say that if a new OS really only needs a full browser, a decent media player, VPN and VNC to be usable by the vast majority of the population.

It isn't because Amiga will be superior that it could make a comeback.  It is because there are people fanatic enough about it that the necessary pieces are likely to be built, and pretty much any system that has the few necessary pieces will be viable.

If I were developing on one of the NG Amiga Platforms, I would be targeting integration to phones.  For example, I would look at having a 'special' window that was a shared screen to a phone, but could be interacted with on the desktop.  Currently, the phones have horrible integration to the desktop.  Yes, even the iPhone.  Maybe especially the iPhone.

Either screen sharing between the desktop and the phone needs to become standard, or the phone needs to become the desktop.  Either way, the future will still have full size keyboards, and full sized monitors.
 

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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #230 on: December 20, 2010, 08:47:27 AM »
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Well, keyboardists always get a rum deal on stage...

I can still feel the awkward silence between my girlfriend and I as we sat on the sofa watching that episode :)

"he's in a band... He plays keyboards..." welcome the to unsexiest profession in the music industry, even the reality challenged roadie who cleans the vomit out of the tom-tom carry cases after the gig gets more respect!

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Either forced to stand behind a their instruments, or worse yet (and thankfully this died the death it deserved) get a keytar and look really ridiculous.

If I'm really honest, I liked to have my bank of synths and computers in front of me :)

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So I decided I needed to play guitar too :lol:

Yeah I tried it... But couldn't find the "play" button [shrug]...
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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #231 on: December 20, 2010, 08:56:02 AM »
Speaking of Amiga community members dressing up and what not...

Gadget is that you?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #232 on: December 20, 2010, 08:56:05 AM »
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I don't doubt it, my point would be that it isn't being homosexual that makes them horrible... People are people, regardless of colour and creed, and nothing is going to change that.

I gave up with moo, its unstructured approach while inviting dynamic debate, is ultimately it's downfall, as it become difficult to get one's point across without causing confusion. I'm pretty fed up with circular debates now, I'm inclined to just say, "think whatever you want to think, just let me do the same" :)

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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #233 on: December 20, 2010, 12:08:17 PM »
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It isn't 1984 anymore.  You can't come up with ground-breaking hardware without huge R&D and marketing budgets.  I'm sure that there will be great stuff like the Replay board and whatnot coming out of the Amiga community, but that is about it.  We're at a stage now where desktops are no longer the main platform for the average computer user.  Think about what that means -- in 1984 the average home computer user was a hobbyist or a teenager with smart parents.  People who used computers to do anything but play games were either engineers or geeks and they were easy to sway with a few extra colors or a little higher resolution or even another 64K of RAM.  But here we are in 2010 (!) so if whoever owns Amiga comes out with some new uber-desktop it won't matter if it can because it will just be a desktop.  You won't be able to touch the screen or tell it to dial your mom's house or mount it on your dash and have it tell you where the nearest pizza place that serves gluten-free food is (good luck with that if you need one.)

But the reality is, Amiga lives.  Yay.  I hope somebody does something cool with the new X1000 or the Replay AGA Minimig.  How about an Amiga Tablet with a Touch UI and an FPGA emulator that runs Android and iOS stuff in the background?   Hehe.


Thats one of the things I don't get or even understand, why do some folks want the the Amiga to have touch screens, mount it on a dash, or even be a tablet etc.. etc..

There are plenty of these gimmick machine already available on the market why would you want to change the Amiga into something it wasn't designed to be and spoil the charm and joy of what using an Amiga is all about... :)

The only requirements I would like to see for the Amiga is the ability to run old Amiga software like Pagestream & ImageFX for example a bit faster, the only thing I use a Mac for is to access the net and to be honest in 25 years of using the Amiga on a daily basis the ability to access the net with it is something I haven't missed or am really interested in it being able to do so... :)

Use the Amiga for what it is and always will be, something a wee bit different from all the mundane world of modern PCs and gimmicks. It's a machine that is a joy to use and learn about, if you want tablets and all that malarky go out and buy one they are avalble if thats your thing... :)

To me the Amiga is unique in the computer world and I'm quite happy for it to remain that way... :)
 

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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #234 on: December 20, 2010, 09:30:39 PM »
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Speaking of Amiga community members dressing up and what not...

Gadget is that you?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


No she's the one that got away. Sigh! :laughing:
 

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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #235 on: December 20, 2010, 09:34:19 PM »
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In light of this, myself and my equally neer-do-well spectrally challenged partner in crime Adz feel the following is appropriate:




I'll tell you what happened to the real Amiga community -- and I'm not talking about hispanic lesbian chicks, though that would be kinda cool nehheheehhhehh -- No, this is a story that must be told and I shall tell it using the powerful medium of the 80's answer to glam rock, Bon Jovi. I call this song "Livin' on a LOL"...

*sings*

Once upon the org,
Not so long ago.

T_Bone used to post on the org,
Kenny's been on strike,
We're down our lulz, it's tough, so tough

Blobrana used to post here all day,
Lookin at the skies for fun things to say
For lulz - for lulz

We've got to lol on at what we've got,
We're only getting older,
So why the hell not?
We still got pancakes and that's a lot.
For lulz - we'll give it a shot!

[Woooa hoah!] We're half way there...
[Woooa hoah!] In a rocking chair!

Pass my pills, I need 'em, I swear
[Woooa hoah!] What happened to my hair?

Meers went and gave up his spot,
And Fluffy's long gone, when he used
post so much, it sucks.

Glaucus went and legged it away,
Iama trolled in the night
We'd all figure he's gay... so gay

We've got to lol on at what we've got,
Though Wilse is not here
And PMC's dropped
So many friends gone but not forgot,
For lulz - we'll give it a shot!

[Woooa hoah!] We're half way there...
[Woooa hoah!] This place is getting square!

Post more lulz, we need 'em, I swear
[Woooa hoah!] It's to serious to bear!

That is all...


:laughing:

But I think your talent is wasted here. You need to join the Warped Humour Lulz Society. Only it's members can appreciate it. I should know.:lol:
 

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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #236 on: December 20, 2010, 10:49:54 PM »
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:laughing:

But I think your talent is wasted here. You need to join the Warped Humour Lulz Society. Only it's members can appreciate it. I should know.:lol:


You mean there's a place where I'm... understood?
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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #237 on: December 21, 2010, 01:22:30 AM »
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Well, keyboardists always get a rum deal on stage...

Either forced to stand behind a their instruments, or worse yet (and thankfully this died the death it deserved) get a keytar and look really ridiculous.

So I decided I needed to play guitar too :lol:

Think about those of us who play cello.....
It's the music! Not the image!
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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #238 on: December 21, 2010, 02:06:28 AM »
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Think about those of us who play cello.....
It's the music! Not the image!


I dunno, most cellists I've seen go for the formal attire look ;)
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Re: Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
« Reply #239 on: December 21, 2010, 02:33:12 AM »
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Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community?


It's what we call a 'shake and bake colony'.