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BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« on: December 15, 2010, 10:57:49 AM »
Campobasso, Italy - December 15, 2010


The update released a few days ago was not the only surprise in store for Christmas: starting today, BOH comes at ridiculously low price!
In fact, who fancies the idea of receiving a nice boxed copy of BOH comfortably at home, only needs EUR 8.99, for Italy, or EUR 14.99, for any other place in the world! - and that's including taxes and shipping!
And, of course, there's a surprise also for who is perfectly happy with a digital copy: downloading the full game costs only EUR 4.99!
You'll never ever get so much for so little, so, if you're looking forward to lots of gaming fun during the upcoming holidays, don't let this extraordinary opportunity pass you by!

(This offer supercedes any previous offer and pricing scheme.)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!


About BOH

BOH is a unique retro-flavoured puzzle-riddled maze game spiced up with thrilling action.
You move in claustrophobic, mysterious, dangerous battlefields searching for the Evil Masters, who throw countless enemies at you until you discover and face them in the final battle. Although your quests are made slightly less hard by the power-ups scattered all around, carrying out the missions demands lots of concentration and quick reflexes.
With BOH the fun never ends: new missions can be added anytime and you can even create your own! And, as if that was not enough, you can also customize entirely its audio-visual aspect!
BOH has been created with lots of passion and care to offer, with its oldschool style, a fascinatingly different videogaming experience.

Website: http://www.bohthegame.com
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/BOH/99598418583
Twitter: http://twitter.com/bohthegame


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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2010, 08:19:31 PM »
Gia' ordinato una coppia ;-)
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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2010, 10:15:37 PM »
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Gia' ordinato una coppia ;-)


Thanks a lot, Cass! :)
(Your order has just been handled.)
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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 03:05:53 PM »
I think i might have asaked this before and If I have I apologies not trying to troll.  Does this run on MorphOS
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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2010, 03:11:07 PM »
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I think i might have asaked this before and If I have I apologies not trying to troll.

Oh, no problem.

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Does this run on MorphOS


No, sorry. The supported systems are: AmigaOS 4, AROS, Linux, MacOS X and Windows XP (or better).
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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2010, 03:13:24 PM »
Thanks would have checked but website blocked in work, dam filters
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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2010, 03:21:21 PM »
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Thanks would have checked but website blocked in work, dam filters


You're welcome. If you want to know/see more about it *now*, maybe you could have more luck with these other official pages:
 * Facebook;
 * Indie DB;
 * Great Games Experiment.
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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2010, 05:00:48 PM »
I guess I should have waited a day or two before I ordered my 3 copies (1 for me and 2 for Christmas gifts), so I could have gotten the lowered price and free shipping.  Oh well, just my luck these days.

Is there any plan to port BOH to MorphOS2.x?  If not, why are there versions for so many other OSes and not one for MorphOS2.x?  Would you allow another developer to work on porting BOH to MorphOS2.x, either on their own, or in collaboration with you?

If I had looked closer and realized that there was not a port for MorphOS2.x before I purchased the 3 copies, I probably would have changed my mind and not purchased it until such port was announced, or completed.  I hope the reason for a MorphOS2.x port of BOH not being available has nothing to do with the past "Red" vs "Blue" wars.

Edit:  Are you sure BOH does not work on MorphOS2.x, as many AmigaOS3.x games and applications  work flawlessly on MorphOS2.x with its built-in "Trance" JIT 68k Amiga emulator? (even some AmigaOS4.x games & applications work when using the OS4emu patch inside MorphOS2.x)
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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2010, 05:27:05 PM »
Quick premise: rushed reply, I might have to elaborate later...

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I guess I should have waited a day or two before I ordered my 3 copies (1 for me and 2 for Christmas gifts), so I could have gotten the lowered price and free shipping.  Oh well, just my luck these days.


Nope, you've been lucky, instead ;)
The current offer supercedes all the previous ones, so there is no free shipping option anymore. In practice, you paid EUR 30 instead of EUR 45 :)

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Is there any plan to port BOH to MorphOS2.x?  If not, why are there versions for so many other OSes and not one for MorphOS2.x?


No, sorry. The reasons are those explained in the FAQ.

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Would you allow another developer to work on porting BOH to MorphOS2.x, either on their own, or in collaboration with you?


I have received collaboration proposals, indeed, but unfortunately I had to turn it down both because I don't want to let my code out and because still additional work and headaches would be required of me not only for the initial port, but also for the future maintainance, customer support and overall management. It's something I just can't afford.

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If I had looked closer and realized that there was not a port for MorphOS2.x before I purchased the 3 copies, I probably would have changed my mind and not purchased it until such port was announced, or completed. I hope the reason for a MorphOS2.x port of BOH not being available has nothing to do with the past "Red" vs "Blue" wars.


No, absolutely! I like the idea of BOH running on MorphOS myself, but the price is just unbearable :(

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Edit:  Are you sure BOH does not work on MorphOS2.x, as many AmigaOS3.x games and applications  (even some AmigaOS4.x games & applications work when using the OS4emu patch inside MorphOS2.x) work flawlessly on MorphOS2.x with its built-in "Trance" JIT 68k Amiga emulator?


BOH is not for M68k CPUs, so Trance is not an option. As for OS4Emu, I've heard that somebody tried the demo and it stops at the menu :/
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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2010, 06:05:04 PM »
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Quick premise: rushed reply, I might have to elaborate later...

No, absolutely! I like the idea of BOH running on MorphOS myself, but the price is just unbearable :(


Well, after searching through the FAQ on the BOH site and generally looking everywhere else on the site, I am not convinced that you are being completely honest (with us, and perhaps not even with yourself) about your reasons for NOT supporting MorphOS2.x, or allowing anyone else to collaborate with you and support such a port for you (It could be done with no required time or effort on your part)  It would seem to me that MorphOS2.x running on any G4 Mac w/800MHz or faster, could probably run BOH with no problem and there are several MorphOS developers that have already completed many ports of SDL games & applications to MorphOS2.x.  I am quite sure at least one of them would be willing to support a port of your game, either officially, or unofficially released by you.

Your quote that the "price is just unbearable" to support a MorphOS2.x port sounds a bit dramatic and leads me to think that there is perhaps some unstated element of your not wanting to support MorphOS2.x, or allow anyone else to port it.  I will give you the benefit of "doubt", but it is very disappointing that you have chosen to exclude MorphOS2.x users for any reason. :(
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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2010, 07:39:06 PM »
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Well, after searching through the FAQ on the BOH site and generally looking everywhere else on the site, I am not convinced that you are being completely honest (with us, and perhaps not even with yourself) about your reasons for NOT supporting MorphOS2.x,

I can guarantee I'm being honest and I hope I'll manage to prove it with my replies :)

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or allowing anyone else to collaborate with you and support such a port for you (It could be done with no required time or effort on your part)

I'll explain better the two reasons I gave in my previous post:
 1. I don't want to give away my code (call me stupid, if you want, but I'm extremely jealous of what I produced with so much love, and that goes beyond BOH's code, as much more stuff is involved);
 2. a collaboration would require time and effort on my part: initially, I would have to provide the stuff, to explain how to setup the system to get the code to compile, to collaborate to tackle any problem that might arise, to prepare an update package that allows installing the game on MorphOS from CD-ROM (just like I did for MacOS, Linux and AROS), to update the ISO image, to prepare a new demo, to make sure everything works fine; then, in case of future updates, practically the same effort would have to be done to produce the new version and update package; finally, supporting MorphOS users would be more complicated and time/energy-consuming.

NOTES: reason #1 alone is a show-stopper; collaboration might be much more taxing than one could ever imagine - just to give you an idea, collaborating to the various translations (only a bunch of mostly simple strings) required many hours of work.

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It would seem to me that MorphOS2.x running on any G4 Mac w/800MHz or faster, could probably run BOH with no problem


MorphOS machines are certainly capable of running BOH - I never said the opposite.

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and there are several MorphOS developers that have already completed many ports of SDL games & applications to MorphOS2.x.  I am quite sure at least one of them would be willing to support a port of your game, either officially, or unofficially released by you.


Sure. As I said in my previous post, I did receive collaboration proposals.

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Your quote that the "price is just unbearable" to support a MorphOS2.x port sounds a bit dramatic and leads me to think that there is perhaps some unstated element of your not wanting to support MorphOS2.x, or allow anyone else to port it.  I will give you the benefit of "doubt", but it is very disappointing that you have chosen to exclude MorphOS2.x users for any reason. :(


The price is that the amount of headaches is huge with respect to:
 a) the time/energies I can dedicate to the game (having to support one more platform, on top of other 5, plus 2 alternative distribution channels which take also extra effort because they handle the stuff according to their own framework, is a burden per se, not to mention that not having direct access to the platform complicates things quite a lot);
 b) the size of the MorphOS community, which not big enough to justify the port and its management from a commercial point of view.*

*Just to be clear, I'm not implying that the situation with AmigaOS and AROS communities is any better, but: the AmigaOS version exists because I "live" on AmigaOS, so it was natural to develop on it and for it; the AROS version exists precisely because I gave in to the temptation of making the port for AROS (which looked so tempting, given that it's easily accessible) and make a larger part of the Amiga community happy - although, I have to admit, I (almost) regret that choice because the effort has not been repaid (but, of course, I'm very grateful to those AROS users who bought the game and, just as obviously, I hold no grudge against anyone who didn't).

Finally, some food for thought...
I've been asked to port the game to several platforms (OpenKODE, GP2X, classic Amiga, Natami, C64, Nintendo DS, PSP, XBox, PS3, iPhone/iPod/iPad and maybe others): some are just not suitable, but others not only are suitable, but also offer better/good commercial perspectives. As you can imagine, if I could afford to make more ports, I'd consider the "promising" platforms... but the situation now is that I just can't do more.

The bottom line is that all I can say to MorphOS users is: sorry, it would be nice, but I can't, and I hope you understand.
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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2010, 08:28:54 PM »
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Your quote that the "price is just unbearable" to support a MorphOS2.x port sounds a bit dramatic and leads me to think that there is perhaps some unstated element of your not wanting to support MorphOS2.x, or allow anyone else to port it.  I will give you the benefit of "doubt", but it is very disappointing that you have chosen to exclude MorphOS2.x users for any reason. :(


That's a bit presumptuous isn't it? First of all, it's not open source, it's his own work and as far as we know not a derivative of any GPL stuff so he is under no contractual or moral obligation to share his code with anybody.

Secondly, he has given a reason, you just happen to disagree with it as a basis for releasing a version. A decent spec PPC Mac with licensed MorphOS might cost next to nothing compared to buying new OS4 kit, but he already has that, so no purchase necessary. To support MorphOS, you are asking him to put money up front to buy the a decent spec PPC mac, get a licensed copy of MOS2, then spend man-hours, which only he can put a figure on and that's the clincher, porting his code to it and only after all that, expect any return.

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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2010, 08:43:10 PM »
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Perhaps if someone were to offer to donate a MorphOS 2.x development system, would that help?


Indeed, I've received also of couple of those kind offers. As much as I appreciate them, still I really can't afford to maintain one more version, not to mention that I physically don't have any room for another machine (just think that I had my beloved A1200 lying in a box in the cellar for so long that recently I decided to give it to a friend just to let it rest in a better place).
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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2010, 07:45:09 AM »
I find the sense of entitlement in this thread astonishing. Simone has put a lot of work into his software, and you either own a supported platform or you don't. Give the guy a break and be grateful he's so passionate about developing an Amiga product.

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Re: BOH - The Christmas SurpriCe
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2010, 08:07:19 AM »
I downloaded the linux demo and rather enjoyed it. After christmas when I have some money, I'll definately buy this one :)