CommodoreUSA site updated

[TheDaddy]

@takemehomegrandma

Let's leave it then. You believe in your MorphOS and AROS (maybe an indication that you have spent little time on amigaworld.net or amigans.net) so I suggest you get out more.

Again you think I am a fully devoted AmigaOS 4/Hyperion/ACube/A-Eon/red or whatever the f*ck you paint them nowadays, you might be disappointed to know that I am not, I just support what I think is good for the Amiga and when they f*ck up, which they do at times, I get p*ssed at them as much as I do with CUSA, AROS etc..etc...

You are WELL confused my man. You say the world has moved along then you add "the only way to make money is to have this retro gimmick stuff" now explain...

I am not interested in CUSA making money that much, as I said IF they have the name they can slap it on toilet seats as far as I am concerned which would be a shame but it's their property.

>>You probably doesn't understand why; (erm...it's "You probably DON'T understand why")


>>your use of the words "real" and "true" in combination with "amigan" in your posts (as well as the assumption that normal people (the masses)

WRONG! I was talking about the long time Amigans who can appreciate the difference.

>>actually cares about CPU's beyond "available, cheap and powerful") shows all the signs of that much too long stay at "amigans.net" that usually leads to a misconceived perception of reality that "Amiga" would be something that it's not.

Oh my god! Full of misconception and prejudice. I spend more time here than on the other two sites that you clearly hate. I have posted more here than on amigans and have had two accounts here for years.

I suggest you stop trying to make me look like I hate CUSA/AROS/MOS because that is not the case.

I even got invited by CUSA to design a computer case for them, which is something I am still considering so just look how wrong you are.

My opinion (I could be wrong) is that CUSA's market is NOT real (long term) Amigans (AROS, OS4 users etc...) or let's say a small percentage of real (read long term-since 1981, Commodore users).

If they were smart they wouldn't concentrate their business plan on us (long time Commodore/Amiga users) but on the ones who used to be or young generations.

Thanks.

[TheDaddy]

@Franko

>>(PS:I've just nicked the Commodore logos from their site to use on my site as I thought they were quite well done and better than the one's I'd nicked from another site... )

Oh man that is genius!

Just had a look at your site and I am thinking of getting one of those C64 you have got there...when will they be available?

[takemehomegrandma]

all 7 of the computers on their current website, and the "NEW OS" available. Thats 8 new products they have to release.

AFAIK they will not sell operating systems, especially not Amiga ones. Of course they will have some kind of OS on their products, but I have seen no sign of that being a stand-alone product. Doesn't make sense either...

Announcing a new AMIGA OS when your just doing that is part of my problem with them

But they are *NOT* announcing a new AMIGA OS!

That's the reason to why they won't support/bundle AROS with it; it could put Amiga Inc in an awkward position, since they in their "settlement" with Hyperion agreed to not licensing the Amiga trade mark to operating systems that resembles the Amiga OS 3.x as being outlined in the contract. OK, one could perhaps argue that what Amiga Inc is licensing the trade mark for is the hardware, and hardware alone, and that it's Commodore on their own (who doesn't have any limiting agreements with Hyperion whatsoever) who installs AROS. But that would perhaps be in a grey zone, and a source to potential problems. Best thing to completely stay away from all those Amiga OS 3.x derivates, and base the Workbench 5 environment on Linux with a nice looking AROS theme instead (and if it's easy for the customers to install a Linux hosted AROS version themselves (using the same default theme) when they get the hardware, then everyone will be happy and any potential problems be avoided!)

A side note, I have enough linux experience to tell you that linux and amiga os are worlds apart. It may be fairly easy to get linux to look like amiga, but getting it to work anything like amiga os is entirely different.

I don't think the audience for this product won't care! They haven't been in contact with anything Commodore or Amiga for 1.5-2 decades, and they probably couldn't even start a program today let alone find their documents spread out in the file system if faced with that environment (what, there are folders that are "invisible"?!? Why?). They have grown used to something else. Something with a start menu, and a certain maturity level of applications. All they will want is a nice and easy way to run their old games and apps they remember from the past, when taking a break from doing the "real" computing stuff with the Linux applications. And I'm pretty sure that a hosted AROS would be more than enough for anyone wanting to really "dig into the past".

[TheDaddy]

@takemehomegrandma

>>I don't think the audience for this product won't care! They haven't been in contact with anything Commodore or Amiga for 1.5-2 decades, and they probably couldn't even start a program today let alone find their documents spread out in the file system if faced with that environment (what, there are folders that are "invisible"?!? Why?). They have grown used to something else. Something with a start menu, and a certain maturity level of applications.


Something we agree on...CUSA's market are those people. They will get little money from us here because:

1) They have been bashed to death on this site that they don't even post anymore
2) They know any of us can do what they are doing (apart from the sticker part)

They'll sell and they'll sell well to ex users and new generations.

[takemehomegrandma]

Very debatable, the Fractal case is a MUCH better design, go and read some reviews.

There are reviews and there are reviews. The Fractal case is probably a very good design, I don't dispute that, I don't care.

Point though, is that people are whining that one company is in the "slapping brand stickers on third party products", while still supporting another company that has been in the brand slapping business for over a decade. That's my point. I have nothing against basing a new product on existing components. Heck, it makes a lot of sense even.

[takemehomegrandma]

Cool trademarks?  Commodore USA 64 doesn't sound that cool to me nor does Commodore USA Amiga.

Then I guess I'll bring good news to you; the products will not be called "Commodore USA", but "Commodore". Period.



I think you are confusing the product brands with the name of the company, but that's perhaps an easy mistake to make? The company could as well be called "yada yada inc.", it doesn't matter.

No, of course the real names will be Commodore Amiga 1000, etc...

[Franko]

@Franko
Just had a look at your site and I am thinking of getting one of those C64 you have got there...when will they be available?

The McC64 is available now, just leave a stash of used tenners in a large brown envelope just under the large boulder behind the third park bench on the left (that's left if you enter the park via the west gate and right if you enter via the hole in the fence to the east...)

The Small Print...
These goods are sold as unseen
They may or may not work or even exist
All goods are fully guaranteed as working for at least one nanosecond after they are shipped
Any damage to Life, Limb or personal property is just tough luck
(although any pictures of such an event would be appreciated for my own personal amusement...)
Shipping time is approximately 700 years,
Please direct any queries about refunds or complaints to Care Of: The Bin...

[takemehomegrandma]

What? No Tablet!

Good idea! Maybe they can license one from Genesi, who has working prototypes! And then make some 1985 retro style plastic casing for it, smack on the logotypes, and off they go! :lol:

[TheDaddy]

There are reviews and there are reviews. The Fractal case is probably a very good design, I don't dispute that, I don't care.

Point though, is that people are whining that one company is in the "slapping brand stickers on third party products", while still supporting another company that has been in the brand slapping business for over a decade. That's my point. I have nothing against basing a new product on existing components. Heck, it makes a lot of sense even.

Most reviews of the Fractal R2 and R3 are in the high 90% score and it's good value for £90, the case is sound proof and can accept cards in Crossfire configuration (I am talking ATI 5830s which are some of the longest cards out there). It's a good quality case.

[TheDaddy]

The McC64 is available now, just leave a stash of used tenners in a large brown envelope just under the large boulder behind the third park bench on the left (that's left if you enter the park via the west gate and right if you enter via the hole in the fence to the east...)

The Small Print...
These goods are sold as unseen
They may or may not work or even exist
All goods are fully guaranteed as working for at least one nanosecond after they are shipped
Any damage to Life, Limb or personal property is just tough luck
(although any pictures of such an event would be appreciated for my own personal amusement...)
Shipping time is approximately 700 years,
Please direct any queries about refunds or complaints to Care Of: The Bin...

I am in!
Can I have two? I have left two brown envelopes full of cash. The third one has gone to my local MP who can't claim anymore for his third property

[takemehomegrandma]

I have left two brown envelopes full of cash.

It will of course cost more than the motherboard would have cost you standalone, but I seriously doubt you will have to pay two envelopes full of cash for this one! If it's not one-dollar bills of course!

I mean, it's not like you would be buying into the X1000 pre-payment scheme, I mean, paying a huge pile of cash for a computer you don't even know the full specifications of that's still in some vague prototype phase, and on top of that you have to agree to renounce your rights to be treated as a real consumer! :lol:

[Belial6]

@Belial6

>>I have seen your case for the MiniMig. No you can't.

What do you mean? Sorry I don't understand... "I have seen the case for the Minimig. No you can't"?!? What?

Real Amigans do exist, of course they do. They are on these fora, 90% of Amigans on this very forum have been bashing and making fun of CUSA why do you think?

What don't you understand.  Arn't you the "TheDaddy" that was selling cases for the MiniMig?  Those cases while looking just fine as a home project, simply did not look professional.  So, I am calling you out on your claim that you could turn a real C64 into just as good of a case in short order.

The people on this forum are basing CUSA because they find the idea of new equipment that might actually sell outside of the existing user base to be a threat to their 'elite' status.  The very fact that you declare there to be a group of 'real Amigans' confirms this.

[TheDaddy]

It will of course cost more than the motherboard would have cost you standalone, but I seriously doubt you will have to pay two envelopes full of cash for this one! If it's not one-dollar bills of course!

I mean, it's not like you would be buying into the X1000 pre-payment scheme, I mean, paying a huge pile of cash for a computer you don't even know the full specifications of that's still in some vague prototype phase, and on top of that you have to agree to renounce your rights to be treated as a real consumer! :lol:

You are funny...let the X1000 alone, why do you always bring that into play! Let it be, they must have really hurt you these people in the past.

Honestly I don't care any more, many times I thought of giving up on the Amiga altogether but like many other things you just can't. I have long spells where I am absent, work on my designs, hardly check what is going on then I get sucked back in LOL!

I say let them do what they want, there is space for everyone.

[Belial6]

A side note, I have enough linux experience to tell you that linux and amiga os are worlds apart. It may be fairly easy to get linux to look like amiga, but getting it to work anything like amiga os is entirely different.

Steven

If you cannot get Linux to behave EXACTLY like an Amiga with very little effort, then you either have very little experience with Linux, or you are a really slow learner.

[Kesa]

(they may be good quality & components in a mac but most of the price is paying for the name & the looks...

And don't forget about Steve Jobs ego...

[TheDaddy]

What don't you understand.  Arn't you the "TheDaddy" that was selling cases for the MiniMig?  Those cases while looking just fine as a home project, simply did not look professional.  So, I am calling you out on your claim that you could turn a real C64 into just as good of a case in short order.

The people on this forum are basing CUSA because they find the idea of new equipment that might actually sell outside of the existing user base to be a threat to their 'elite' status.  The very fact that you declare there to be a group of 'real Amigans' confirms this.

LOL! Now onto personal attacks...My cases didn't look professional, OH MY GOD! Thank you very much.

I am not here to discuss my designs, as I am still waiting to see one of yours.
Ask the hundreds of people who bought the Minimig case what they think, the continuous emails I am receiving asking to produce more.

The Minimig case is an original design, developed with engineering precision. It was meant to cover the needs of many who bought the Minimig board and didn't want it to get damaged. It wasn't meant to sell millions or take on Apple.

You are talking about a single person working in his garage, investing his own money and time VS a company with an alleged $35 million budget so I say go and get lost!

You are talking out of your arsehole. If you listen carefully...you can hear it.

The CUSA C64 is just a C64 case with some cut outs for a DVD and the card reader. It looks very 1980s and it's not very original.

I could knock something like the C64 case in a week, probably less but I wouldn't be happy with it because it looks like a C64...see if you can grasp the idea or originality.