CommodoreUSA site updated

[takemehomegrandma]

"Once he starts shipping product (which I'm sure he will), he'll finally silence a large portion of the naysayers."
 
Hey iggy, did you forget about the 2 or 3 other keyboard all in one computers which he was hyping for months and then never shipped?

Oh, and I remember a company called "A-eon", that made their entry in one enormous hype boom! That amateurish looking website that dropped hints day by day. Like "click on the dot over the i and you get to yet another secret page" or whatever they were up to. Building up a hype that something special is about to happen. Then nothing. Later a promise for a release in summer. The summer came and went. No products. Only a pre-payment scheme. Months goes by, and we are actually closing in to a one year anniversary of complete void. Reminds me of Troika's "Amy'05". First one year passed, then another. Then suddenly some people started their good-old falsification of history behavior, claiming "but the '05 was never a year, it merely was some random number that looked cool". Yada yada. Well, at least Commodore announces what processor they are using in their Amiga's.
 

What have they shipped so far? Some zpc's with commodore stickers slapped on them?

So they actually delivered something then? :-O

Well, I remember a company selling Teron motherboards with an AmigaOne sticker slapped on them! But wait, they didn't even have the stickers!

Ah well...

With that kind of track record already, I doubt any of this new stuff they are trying to hype will ever arrive.

X1000. Timberwolf. USB2. OS4.1.3/4.2. A few picks from a very long list. Aren't we used to hype as a track record as of now? What's new? Really?

[takemehomegrandma]

People can pick apart CUSA all they want, but what they are stating as their plan is both attractive, and actually feasible.  The prototype photos of the C64 case shows that they are serious about actually rebuilding the brand.

No, it isn't going to compete against Mac or the PC.  That ship has sailed.  I know that if the PC64 makes it to market at an only slightly unreasonable price, I will buy one.  It is certainly more practical than my MiniMig, and it doesn't fall prey to the MiniMigs fatal flaw of not having a reasonable case.  Looking at the prototype cases for the PC64, I have to say, it looks really nice.  I'm not sure about the F-Keys being replaced by media keys, but if they are not already remappable, that should just be a software issue.

I am honestly surprised that they haven't already just said screw it, and decided to forget the whole thing.  I am glade they didn't.

+1

[Ral-Clan]

If "Commodore USA" actually brings those replica looking C64 PCs to market then I will be very impressed.  I think they look really good, especially the very retro looking keyboard.  This looks like a product done right (i.e. someone who really appreciates the look of the original hardware took some time to design this very faithful retro case).

I am very suspicious, and not going to place any bets, but if they do this one product right then it will make up for all the crappy PC's with commodore labels slapped onto them.

[MaximvsPayne]

oh man, cusa.... a joke... what a company... i dont know if  i should laugh or cry... maybe this is the point, where the morphos, amigaos3/4 and aros-camps can finally join their forces. we should merge all these 3 systems into one über-amigaos5-system.

[takemehomegrandma]

True Amigans are not the target market here, they are targeting ex-long-gone users and new ones who have never heard of Commodore or Amiga.

Sorry, but that's utterly stupid! Of course the market is true old Amiga and Commodore fans, otherwise they wouldn't bother with the Commodore Amiga trademarks! I'm pretty sure these Commodore Amiga's will run both the Commodore software and Amiga software those nostalgia people will want to run, pretty much the same way as they ran it back in the days!

CUSA want to make money by using the name they claim they own (licensed), end of story.

To many it sounds like a not very honourable, devious scam, to others it sounds like any other business.

Of course they will want to make money on the trade marks. That's why they legally licensed them, isn't it? Nothing "devious scam" about it at all.

(OTOH there are companies that try to make money from similar trade marks that they more or less robbed through a devious legal process, to market an OS of which IP they also grabbed in a similar "decent" manner)

[takemehomegrandma]

Agreed. And at least C=USA is not trying to make off-the-shelf XMOS chips anyone can pop into their PC via USB for a couple of bucks pass as "custom chips, just like in the old days".

+1

[takemehomegrandma]

Yes, 'official branding' has never been important to me. I use MorphOS with Amiga ftp and scanner software and I never concerned myself as to whether or not I'm using a 'real Amiga'.

+1

It was a long time the Amiga brand stopped having any real meaning to me. And when you look at features, specs, performance and Amiga compatibility, MorphOS is Amiga done right anyway, so...

But the plastic prototype...



...surely shows an ambition far beyond simply slapping a sticker on to an emulator. This could become a prime geek gimmick gadget!

Not holding my breath though...

[actung_bab]

l got 100% agree with you seems to me when people get scared something they really react
to it seems to me more hysterical these folks get more likey it going to happen
l think great thing competion got to be good
l love the case desins look awsome whould mind pionex machine myself
but like x1000 too
And I love the way some people simply can't stand this new Commodore company trying to finally making some sensible use of the Amiga trade mark. They have licensed it. It's within their full right to do so.

I'll wait to see what will come out of this, if anything at all. Maybe Commodore's new Amiga's will be something interesting. Maybe not. Who knows? But they currently haven't got any product on the market AFAIK, yet some of you people really goes out of your way in what only can be described as some Witch Prosecution Process.

Anyway, can't say I really care. But it's really fun to watch you get so darned triggered as soon as even the tiniest message about anything Amiga comes from Commodore! [/QUOTE]

[MaximvsPayne]

http://www.aumro.com/products.html <- hey guys - just get your stylish amiga 1/2/3000 cases there and put in your pegasus/sam/amiga-one etc. boards.

[TheDaddy]

@takemehomegrandma

>>Sorry, but that's utterly stupid!

Or is it? Is it stupid really? It looks like 90% of Commodore and Amiga people think this takes the piss. A C64 shell with a x86 board inside. Anyone can get a C64 off ebay and do the same in 60 minutes, with better specifications parts.

>>Of course the market is true old Amiga and Commodore fans, otherwise they wouldn't bother with the Commodore Amiga trademarks!

Wrong! The Commodore Amiga trademarks are there because they are an asset. Better to use the Commodore and Amiga names rather than a brand new one but as I said before many Amigans will not touch the stuff.


>>Of course they will want to make money on the trade marks. That's why they legally licensed them, isn't it? Nothing "devious scam" about it at all.

You have got the wrong end of the stick there, read again my post, I was actually defending CUSA.

>>OTOH there are companies that try to make money from similar trade marks that they more or less robbed through a devious legal process, to market an OS of which IP they also grabbed in a similar "decent" manner

I am not entering this argument which is off topic.

[Belial6]

Until CUSA actually collects money from someone, and fails to deliver AFTER taking their money, they are at the very worst big talkers.  I have to agree that the viciousness that is directed at CUSA seems more like people worried that products will actually be produced.

I have to agree about the 'copyright violation' complaints as well.  Every single person on this board has committed copyright violations.  We see 'stolen' artwork in peoples avatars all the time.  And, it seems mighty convenient that the people that claim copyright purity only show up to bag on CUSA, and never seem to be around to bag on people like Motorollin for 'stealing' DoomMaster's work.  They never seem to complain when Rick Rolls start flying around.

Looking back at old threads, and the hypocritical treatment that is shown between the chosen, and the witches, there is no doubt that the complaints of copyright violation are more about rationalizing bad behavior on the part of the Amiga community than it is about wanting people to do the right thing.

[Terminills]

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/ .

yeah it still needs work

[Belial6]

@takemehomegrandma (and she should have done it years ago IMHO)

Or is it? Is it stupid really? 90% of the TRUE Commodore and Amiga people think this takes the piss. A C64 shell with a x86 board inside. It looks awful. I can get a C64 off ebay and do the same in 90 minutes, with better specifications parts.

I have seen your case for the MiniMig.  No you can't.

TRUE Commodore and Amiga people

REAL Amigans

These groups don't exist.  They are a fictional category made up to rationalize that everyone who disagrees with you is defacto wrong.  They are a fallacy.

[Terminills]

@takemehomegrandma

Or is it? Is it stupid really? It looks like 90% of Commodore and Amiga people think this takes the piss.

Damn how'd you have the time to ask all of the old Commodore staff what they throught?

I thought those were the only true Commodore and Amiga people =]

[Plaz]

If CUSA can bring their 64 box to light they will find a market for it. How big a market? ... one can only guess. C64 sold what... 11 million units in all it's forms? If CUSA gets 5% of that, they will do well. I think they may have thought at one time to include the old C64/Amiga  community in the ride, but after taking it on the chin a couple of times in the threads, I'm guessing they said "frag that!"  instead.

I'm not bashing or supporting at this point, but it should be another interesting story to follow in Amigaland reguardless. In fact I think it could spur Hyperion to new acheivements as well.

Plaz

[rednova]

Dear Friends:

I am impressed by the new commodore and amiga.
I am dissapointed by how many people reacted so negative about
these new computers.
I think we should give them a chance to prove their worth and even
support them.
I myself am willing to buy a new c64 and new amiga from them, if they
are truthful and deliver the goods.
Hell, I even would love to develop new amiga games for their systems
and make new 'amiga' animations.
I wish the new commodore USA much success.
Love !!!

Rednova