Hello my first Thread

[adz]

I remember my first thread....

[Karlos]

I remember my first thread....

I think I remember mine...

In fact, it might even have been to do with threads...

[Templario]

I'd say thats exactly the reason why there is no demo version....


@templario

The reason why you ended up restricted on that other side is that your english is just good enough to encourage severe misunderstandings (your orginal comment surely looked like a not-so-clever attempt at trolling). Now that was bad enough, but calling another user a facist should have gotten yourself more than just one week (atleast in my book).

Is the second time that a commnet about MorphOS is "misunderstanding" my bad english in other cases don't give me so problems as when I speak about that OS.

[Karlos]

I think I remember mine...

In fact, it might even have been to do with threads...

:lol: I think I found it: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=525

Certainly not my first post, but I think the first thread I created. Sure enough, it was thread related, too.

[nicholas]

:lol: I think I found it: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=525

Certainly not my first post, but I think the first thread I created. Sure enough, it was thread related, too.

I just necromanced it for old times sake. :lol:

[nicholas]

Before I tried the settings you gave I stick by my chipram statement, the settings you give does improve the speed to a reasonable level, but still too slow for my liking.

Think I'm so used to running a highly optimised set up under OS3.5 on the 060 side that anything seems slow in comparison...

So how does MorphOS for BPPC compare to OS4 in your esteemed opinion Frank?

[adz]

One of my first threads

I even received some advice from HGC himself! I'd lurked for quite a while before joining, pretty much joined to get some help with the A2000 I'd just picked up.

[Franko]

@ Karlos

Try running your 68K only setup without any PPC datatypes, media players or anything like that. You may have gotten used to your PPC doing some of the lifting in the background that you forgot about.

I never use datatypes (worst thing ever invented for 68K). On the 68K side of things I have no PPC software that does any background processes, the only time the PPC gets used is for encoding MP3s (Lame), playing MP3s (SongPlayer) and the Frodo C64 emulator and on the odd occasion viewing some PDFs, everything is else is in standard 68K or 060 where possible. (seems pretty pointless having a PPC now when I look at it...)

@ nicholas

So how does MorphOS for BPPC compare to OS4 in your esteemed opinion Frank?

I never use any MorphOS progs prefer the plain vanilla PPC code anything I've tested, for example Lame or Frodo run much faster and better using plain PPC when compared to their MorphOS counterparts, so for me MorphOS on my A1200s is a big no no....  

And before you all jump on my head saying I must be doing this wrong or that wrong, the answer is no I'm not. 25 years of using the Amiga on a daily basis has led me to carry out extensive tests to find the best & fastest possible set ups for my hardware using either software available or writing my own which I'm happy with...

PS: This threads meant to be Templario's introduction not a debate on OS 4.X, PPC's or when did you first post a thread, apologies to Templario for the hijacking of your thread...

[Karlos]

I never use datatypes (worst thing ever invented for 68K).

Erm, since when did you have the choice? In OS3.x, <> alone uses datatypes for all image and sound decoding.

I never use any MorphOS progs prefer the plain vanilla PPC code anything I've tested, for example Lame or Frodo run much faster and better using plain PPC when compared to their MorphOS counterparts, so for me MorphOS on my A1200s is a big no no....  

Ok, just so we are clear, you've actually tried MorphOS 1.4.x (or possibly an earlier version) on your BizzardPPC and found native applications for it to be slower than their basic WOS/PUP versions under OS3.x?

PS: This threads meant to be Templario's introduction not a debate on OS 4.X, PPC's or when did you first post a thread, apologies to Templario for the hijacking of your thread...

I don't think he'll mind, it was a test thread to make sure he knew how to do it, not a formal introduction.

[Karlos]

Ok, just so we are clear, you've actually tried MorphOS 1.4.x (or possibly an earlier version) on your BizzardPPC and found native applications for it to be slower than their basic WOS/PUP versions under OS3.x?

You see, I only ask, because on my MorphOS 1.4.5 installation disk's MorphOS.readme file it states:

Code: [Select]


$VER: MorphOS.readme 1.4.5 Release 4 (6.6.2006)

Hardware supported:
-------------------
- Amiga4000, 4000T with phase5 CyberStormPPC
- Amiga3000 with phase5 CyberStormPPC
- Amiga1200 with phase5 BlizzardPPC
- Grex PCI slots

Graphic cards supported:
------------------------
- Voodoo3/4/5 (with GRex)
- SiS6326, SiS305 (with GRex)
- Permedia2/Permedia2v (either BVisionPPC, CyberVisionPPC or GRex)
- PicassoIV (68k driver)
- CyberVision 64 (68k driver)
- CyberVision 64/3D (68k driver)

AGA chipset is NOT supported.


So, fine on the BlizzardPPC side, but you've said a few times you have no RTG card at all. I was just wondering what you were using for your Ambient/Workbench/ display, given that according to the last line cited above, AGA isn't actually supported.



Obviously if the MorphOS team have added that line in error, they should be informed.

[Franko]

@ Karlos

I know iprefs use the ruddy useless things (datatypes) I was meaning for viewing GFX or playing audio, I prefer to use a dedicated util for such things.

I've never read much of the docs for MorphOS and can't tell you which versions I tried as I deleted them all a long time ago, yep still no RTG board.

Most of the time I run a plain old 640 x 256 128 colour screen for Workbench and for GFX or DTP (ImageFX, DPaint, Pagestream, Final Writer etc..) I usually use 640 x 512 or higher.

Quick example of Lame V3.92, encoding an MP3 (10 seconds Audio)
Plain PPC = 31 seconds
MorphOS = 46 seconds

FrodoC64 emulator
Plain PPC Version = full screen GFX, full framerate + Audio
MorphOS Version = Window on Workbench no option for full screen/ skip every 2 to 3 frames (depending on game) No Audio

All I know is after years of testing I have found the best way for me to get every bit of speed I can out of my set up and tried all sorts things and different versions of various software along the way, but as I've said before I've disassembled a lot of stuff along the way and optimised it for my own use including the roms. I know from helping out others over the years unless your using the exact same set up as me then the way my miggies are set up you'd never get be able to get the same speed or use some of the modified code I use...

[Karlos]

I've never read much of the docs for MorphOS and can't tell you which versions I tried as I deleted them all a long time ago, yep still no RTG board.
...
MorphOS Version = Window on Workbench no option for full screen/ skip every 2 to 3 frames (depending on game) No Audio

Erm, ok... You know how I wasn't convinced about the OS4 being as slow as you made out? I have to say I am just an incy bit sceptical now too...

It's the fact you were able to run it in a "Window on Workbench", on MorphOS without a supported display mode. The mind boggles. How did you persuade it to open an AGA mode in the first place?

[Franko]

@ Karlos

Dunno to be honest, as I say I never read much of the docs just installed (as far as I remember) the MorphOS stuff my sister downloaded for me years ago along with some utils from places like Aminet and a lot of hacks that were available on CD Magazine I used to subscribe to (100% Amiga it was called) and gave it a go.

Never knew it wasn't meant to support AGA and from the few things I tried plain old PPC version won out on speed tests so I stuck with that and spent years optimising my system to get the best out of a combination of 68k, 060 & PPC...

[A4000_Mad]

I remember my first thread....
http://voicesofaorg.extropia.co.uk/

Awwwwww... mel_zoom sounds as lovely as she looks



@ Karlos & Franko

Keep up the OS4/PPC/MorphOS chat please guys as it's very interesting :drink:

[Karlos]

@ Karlos & Franko

Keep up the OS4/PPC/MorphOS chat please guys as it's very interesting :drink:

Well, I can see I am going to have to revisit my 1.4.5 installation and possibly one or two older versions, because other than the odd game or demo that took over the native hardware, I never got it to open an intuition screen under AGA.

[Boot_WB]

Well, I can see I am going to have to revisit my 1.4.5 installation and possibly one or two older versions, because other than the odd game or demo that took over the native hardware, I never got it to open an intuition screen under AGA.

Weren't the early MorphOS incarnations patches onto the OS3.x installation? I seem to (vaguely) remember that MorphOS was developed kinda piecemeal, requiring significant chunks of OS3.x in order to function. Perhaps Franko tried an early 0.x release?

@Franko - you're not thinking of PowerUP (rather than MorphOS) are you?