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HTML5 = A second chance.
« on: November 29, 2010, 05:30:31 PM »
Does anybody know if HTML5 support will be coming to AmigaOS3.9/4.x browsers at some stage?

Lack of Flash support has been a deal breaker before in terms of using an Amiga for everyday use.

Proper HTML5 support could be a chance to get actual Amiga's on the net again!

Or is the above statement a bit mental?

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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2010, 05:37:15 PM »
Doesn't OWB support HTML5 ?
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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 05:41:25 PM »
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Does anybody know if HTML5 support will be coming to AmigaOS3.9/4.x browsers at some stage?

Lack of Flash support has been a deal breaker before in terms of using an Amiga for everyday use.

Proper HTML5 support could be a chance to get actual Amiga's on the net again!

Or is the above statement a bit mental?


I don't know why AOS4 wouldn't support HTML5. OWB under MorphOS supports it. But its still not an adequate substitute for flash as html isn't used on nearly as many sites. Some YouTube videos will run with it (not all), and it still requires some processor power (but not as much as flash).

I don't think older Amiga OS' would have enough CPU power to run HTML5 unless run via an emulator.
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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 05:51:26 PM »
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I don't know why AOS4 wouldn't support HTML5.
The reason

Oh and you gotta love the ending comment:
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Since most people seem to think the AmigaOS 4.x port of OWB it's useless crap I guess I wont waste my time on it any more.
Maybe you'll find someone else who is stupid enough to port the AROS version (required if you want to have support for tabs) or the MorphOS version of OWB to AmigaOS 4.1, but I very much doubt it.
Sure enough he did quit working on it sometime after this.

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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 06:04:28 PM »
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Oh and you gotta love the ending comment:

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Since most people seem to think the AmigaOS 4.x port of OWB it's useless crap I guess I wont waste my time on it any more.
Maybe you'll find someone else who is stupid enough to port the AROS version (required if you want to have support for tabs) or the MorphOS version of OWB to AmigaOS 4.1, but I very much doubt it.

Oh that IS painfully humorous. What an incredibly stupid comment, Piru.
I use OWB everyday. Maybe it lacks some polish, but Fab's done a great job on it considering he's only one person.

Do they still think they're going to get Timberwolf working? Without any better implementations of flash than we have, and a more complex port, I think they're being slightly over-optomistic.
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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 06:09:24 PM »
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Oh that IS painfully humorous. Where did you find that incredibly stupid comment, Piru?

It's in the post I linked.
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Without any better implementations of flash than we have, and a more complex port, I think they're being slightly over-optomistic.

Indeed. Some seem to forget that port of Firefox doesn't give you flash. Also, personally I think that it is immensely stupid to not improve any other browser just because some FF port is said to be coming.

I'd advice against putting all eggs in the same basket.
 

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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2010, 07:37:57 PM »
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It's in the post I linked.

Indeed. Some seem to forget that port of Firefox doesn't give you flash. Also, personally I think that it is immensely stupid to not improve any other browser just because some FF port is said to be coming.

I'd advice against putting all eggs in the same basket.

Well I feel reassured that I made the right choice (on OS'), but it leaves me wondering. What do they use as an internet browser for AOS4?
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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2010, 08:22:52 PM »
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Well I feel reassured that I made the right choice (on OS'), but it leaves me wondering. What do they use as an internet browser for AOS4?


Most OS4 users seem to be using OWB these days.
 

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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2010, 08:31:49 PM »
So that's a NO then?

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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2010, 08:41:33 PM »
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So that's a NO then?

Well, not anytime soon unless if someone is "stupid enough" to port the MorphOS OWB. Of course HTML5 is also possible via some other routes, but none of them is as straight forward.
 

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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2010, 09:10:35 PM »
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Well, not anytime soon unless if someone is "stupid enough" to port the MorphOS OWB. Of course HTML5 is also possible via some other routes, but none of them is as straight forward.


Since my own Powermac did not run HTML5 fast enough until I upgraded the processor, porting Fab's work to AOS4 probably doesn't make sensde.
Most hardware running AOS4 would not be powerful enough to display HTML5 code any better than my original 933Mhz G4.
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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2010, 09:18:28 PM »
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Sure enough he did quit working on it sometime after this.


So Jörg quit because trolls did diminish his great work on the OS4 version of OWB?

Thanks a lot guys. I feel very bad now. This sucks big time!

That day was a sad day for the whole Amiga community. And now continue your ridicule Piru.
 

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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2010, 09:24:51 PM »
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Since my own Powermac did not run HTML5 fast enough until I upgraded the processor, porting Fab's work to AOS4 probably doesn't make sensde.
Most hardware running AOS4 would not be powerful enough to display HTML5 code any better than my original 933Mhz G4.


Erm, on my Pegasos II / G4, I can play 360p youtube clips at full speed using 30% CPU in overlay mode, unlike the "normal/windowed" mode that is heavier and may skip frames, because it has to go through (soft-)cairo rendering. So you should really use the "fullscreen" option (which plays in fullwindow, in practice).

Make sure to read OWB's readme in YouTube section. There are a few things to know :
- adding one userscript (scripts/youtube_fullscreen_fix.js) to unbreak Youtube's HTML5 fullscreen mode.
- adding another one to make non-HTML5 Youtube link play through the builtin HTML5 player anyway (scripts/youtube.js).
 

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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2010, 09:27:34 PM »
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So Jörg quit because trolls did diminish his great work on the OS4 version of OWB?

Thanks a lot guys. I feel very bad now. This sucks big time!

That day was a sad day for the whole Amiga community. And now continue your ridicule Piru.


He rather quit because he was unwilling (or unable?) to make it better, despite the great amount of donations.
And no, I have no problem writing this, after he has insulted my work numerous times. :)
 

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Re: HTML5 = A second chance.
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2010, 09:37:41 PM »
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He rather quit because he was unwilling (or unable?) to make it better, despite the great amount of donations.
And no, I have no problem writing this, after he has insulted my work numerous times. :)

Thanks for the tips, Fab. And thanks for the continued revisions to OWB.
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