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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #104 from previous page: November 30, 2010, 12:52:14 AM »
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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #105 on: November 30, 2010, 12:54:50 AM »
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I for one am glad and indeed feel privileged to have been around at the start of true home computing and really wish that some of the younger folk who don't understand this would open their minds to the simple fact that the need for speed and more lifelike graphics just to play a silly 3D game is not all that computing is about, but sadly for some of them I don't think they will ever see it that way. Oh well it's their loss not mine... :)


While I can appreciate the fact that latest/greatest computer hardware isnt necessary it is hard to go backwards in raw speed when used to something else, even on the Amiga. Movies (viewing and encoding), emulators (for amiga, not *of* amiga), compiling, 2d and 3d graphics, audio processing and many other things will be quicker with more powerful resources under the hood. Not to say theyre essential, but some people actually want faster gear for a practical reason. Would you prefer to render a scene in 4 days, while at the same time severely crippling your amiga, or 7 minutes and still have enough resources to continue using it ?

Dont misunderstand me, I enjoy the classic amiga, it's both my favorite computer and my most absorbing hobby and I too have been around since it's inception, but just because someone wants as much power as they can afford doesnt necessarily mean that they cant appreciate a machine with fewer resources, nor does it make them a mindless drone just trying to keep up with the Joneses. The computer landscape has changed today. Those that do want the latest and greatest in gaming hardware are, ironically, the same type of person that would have gone after an a500 in it's heyday.
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #106 on: November 30, 2010, 01:00:24 AM »
I don't think you can apply Death to amiga any more.. I think we all realise that the Amiga is out of the mainstream now for good, which is a shame.

AROS however given time is perfect for an open source desktop OS that could be mainstream, which is something that linux has been struggling to deliver for years and years.
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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #107 on: November 30, 2010, 01:04:51 AM »
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I don't think you can apply Death to amiga any more.. I think we all realise that the Amiga is out of the mainstream now for good, which is a shame.

AROS however given time is perfect for an open source desktop OS that could be mainstream, which is something that linux has been struggling to deliver for years and years.


yeah, Im sure IBM is minutes away from switching their business model to AROS.
 

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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #108 on: November 30, 2010, 01:08:12 AM »
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yeah, Im sure IBM is minutes away from switching their business model to AROS.


I fail to see how IBMs business model would affect domestic uptake of AROS. I know countless people who want to use an open source operating system, but cannot be bothered with the complexity of linux.
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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #109 on: November 30, 2010, 01:12:02 AM »
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AROS however given time is perfect for an open source desktop OS that could be mainstream, which is something that linux has been struggling to deliver for years and years.


AROS is decades out of date in terms of capabilities. If you want something as an alternative to linux/bsd, Haiku is in a far superior position in terms of what people would expect from a modern desktop, and tbh even it is somewhat out of date.
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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #110 on: November 30, 2010, 01:13:16 AM »
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I fail to see how IBMs business model would affect domestic uptake of AROS. I know countless people who want to use an open source operating system, but cannot be bothered with the complexity of linux.

IBM being a giant corporation who's software business model is very heavily based on linux ?

To be commercially viable you need corporations doing the heavy lifting and pulling. Sad but true.


People get discouraged because a wireless card needs a driver in linux, because it doesn't run Excel or it doesn't look like their windows desktop.


If people were eager to jump on an OS with very few applications, very little hardware support and no familiarity whatsoever, I imagine BEOS would have worked out a lot better than it did.


There's two types of people that use computers:

There's people who like figuring things out. They already use what they want to use.

There's people who use whatever came on the machine. They already use what they want to use.


The sad thing, even price is irrelevant in the comparison. People are so used to pirating windows and photoshop etc, that it doesn't make any difference that linux or AROS is "free". The linux people are okay, as they rule the embedded and server application markets. AROS people are okay, as they aim at retro guys and amiga fans.

Fighting over the desktop is pointless as long as there's pirated windows for free from your neighbour.
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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #111 on: November 30, 2010, 01:21:22 AM »
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IBM being a giant corporation who's software business model is very heavily based on linux ?

To be commercially viable you need corporations doing the heavy lifting and pulling. Sad but true.


I am under no illusions that any form of open source operating system will always play second (third?) fiddle to the big boys OS's however Ubuntu has gained a fair amount of traction as a desktop OS but has failed in the usability stakes due to the lack of intiutiveness of the GUI, if there is going to be an open source alternative to windows why can it not be AROS?

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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #112 on: November 30, 2010, 01:27:23 AM »
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Ubuntu has gained a fair amount of traction as a desktop OS but has failed in the usability stakes due to the lack of intiutiveness of the GUI


Really?

Not sure I agree with that, but I'd agree it's not for everyone.
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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #113 on: November 30, 2010, 01:31:15 AM »
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I am under no illusions that any form of open source operating system will always play second (third?) fiddle to the big boys OS's however Ubuntu has gained a fair amount of traction as a desktop OS but has failed in the usability stakes due to the lack of intiutiveness of the GUI, if there is going to be an open source alternative to windows why can it not be AROS?

Software will come in time as will drivers, you have to start somewhere.


Which GUI ? Gnome 2? KDE? XFCE ? Gnomeshell ?

What does "intuitive" mean in this context?

Here's a quick OS guide:

Windows: To do stuff you click on an icon or pull down a menu.

Mac OS: To do stuff you click on an icon or pull down a menu.

Amiga OS: To do stuff you click on an icon or pull down a menu.

Gnome/KDE/etc/etc/etc: To do stuff you click on an icon or pull down a menu.


When people say something is not "intuitive" to them on a computer, most of the time what they want to say is "Its not what I am used to, and I don't want to learn".
People with that mindset will never use linux, and they'll never use AROS.

And you know what? They don't need to.

You know what else?
The beautiful secret?

We don't need them to.


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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #114 on: November 30, 2010, 01:48:18 AM »
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Really?

Not sure I agree with that, but I'd agree it's not for everyone.


Hello Karlos, how are you doing? its been a while!

regarding ubuntu, two words network manager , its terrible ( compared to the windows network GUI ) its fine for us to edit an interfaces file, but for the average joe it should be unnessesary

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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #115 on: November 30, 2010, 01:49:18 AM »
The future and next present of the amiga is to talk about vapour and unfinished projects without enjoy the real things, sadly.
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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #116 on: November 30, 2010, 01:54:30 AM »
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Hello Karlos, how are you doing? its been a while!

regarding ubuntu, two words network manager , its terrible ( compared to the windows network GUI ) its fine for us to edit an interfaces file, but for the average joe it should be unnessesary

:-)


Assuming you are talking about Gnome here

whats wrong with system-administration-network tools ?
 

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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #117 on: November 30, 2010, 01:58:41 AM »
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If people were eager to jump on an OS with very few applications, very little hardware support and no familiarity whatsoever, I imagine BEOS would have worked out a lot better than it did.


BeOS failed partly because Microsoft threatened price favours to any PC supplier that bundled BeOS with their machines. Guess why bundled BSD/Linux machines takes so long.. :S

(link to Haiku compatible with BeOS)

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There's people who like figuring things out. They already use what they want to use.


They use what's available. Although the available choices may suck.

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There's people who use whatever came on the machine. They already use what they want to use.


They use what came with it because they are incapable of anything else.

There's a lot more computer users than in the home computer beginnings. Earlier it was easy to find "alikes" now they are harder to spot ;), the point being that just because people use a computer. They don't necessarly have the mind or interest to dig and learn by them self.

Any feature project may be more successful being focused on the type of people that found home computers in the beginning interesting.
 

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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #118 on: November 30, 2010, 02:02:09 AM »
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The future and next present of the amiga is to talk about vapour and unfinished projects without enjoy the real things, sadly.


I enjoy looking forward to what the Amiga future might be, call it vapourware if you want and I wouldn't blame you for that (because of all the vapourware and broken promises of the past), but I still hold out hope that things like the Natami, X1000 and MiniMigAGA will actually see the light of day.

But I use every day the "real things" and I assume most of us expressing our views here do also in one form or another, so unless your talking about yourself I don't quite get your point... :)
 

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Re: What is the future of Amiga?
« Reply #119 on: November 30, 2010, 02:42:22 AM »
Think of Amiga as in spirit not hardware.. ;)