The Future Of The Amiga - Where Do You Stand...

[Karlos]

Can't speak for The Edinburgh Apple Store, but the ones in London are lovely... it;s the only technologic store you can walk into where all the products are easy to access, set up and and running... and where the staff leave me alone... no asking me if I'm ¨alright¨, if I ¨need help¨ or have I seen the latest xyz... and if/when I finally do decide to enquire or buy something they do exactly what I ask... and don't try and sell me anything more or do anything out side of my request...

Yeah, last I heard, they the ones that had to get you restrained after you ran into the place before the plate glass doors even fully opened screaming "Sell me your delicious apple pie! I need it all!" :lol:

[bloodline]

Yeah, last I heard, they the ones that had to get you restrained after you ran into the place before the plate glass doors even fully opened screaming "Sell me your delicious apple pie! I need it all!" :lol:

Don't joke... While I was focusing on music, it seemed as though Apple had a direct line to my bank account... well actually they did/do... but the sums of money that have gone their way would be enough to keep Jobsie in new livers until 2020...

[Franko]

Can't speak for The Edinburgh Apple Store, but the ones in London are lovely... it;s the only technologic store you can walk into where all the products are easy to access, set up and and running... and where the staff leave me alone... no asking me if I'm ¨alright¨, if I ¨need help¨ or have I seen the latest xyz... and if/when I finally do decide to enquire or buy something they do exactly what I ask... and don't try and sell me anything more or do anything out side of my request... that's exactly the service I want, and It was because of that I was able to try out a Mac in 2005 which had all the software I wanted to test (already set up there on the bench), that allowed me to decide to get one...

@ bloodline

When I got my first G4 during the summer, I popped into that ruddy shop in Edinburgh to ask what I needed to buy for it to get it up and running properly. I was greeted by a fat little smurfette of a female who droned on in this gawd awful half Scottish Half American accent who basically told me (with a look of on her face that she'd just stood in a pile of dog crap) I had bought a white elephant and there was nothing I could do to upgrade it from OSX 10.2, she then waddled off and that was that.

Oddly enough though as I was standing there with my sister and trying to put away in my suit pocket the list of questions I had to ask, I asked my sister if she could hold on to some of the cash I had in my pockets till I organised them a bit. I handed my sister 6 grand in cash and was just starting to organise my pockets when little chubby checker suddenly appeared again all smiles and directed me to a seat where now all of a sudden she could offer me a consultancy for £25 per half hour and she could probably sort out my problems for me.

Suffice to say as I stuffed my cash back in my pockets I told tubby thanks but no thanks and I would take my business elsewhere, talk about having a face like an auld grannie sucking on her wallies, hers was a picture...

[bloodline]

@Franko

You should have complained... Apple do take stuff like that pretty seriously....

[cicero790]

I agree with Fats. The apple crowd have no probs in calling an iPhone, iPad or any other mac related things for just MAC. Minimig, Natami, AROS, MORPH, AOS4, Classics and all related things is Amiga for me. So looking at all the activity in all the different projects, Amiga's future look bright from my POV anyway.

Then the iPad was released, I read an article interpreting holy Jobs creation like: Technology have ceased to be this firework of features, but have become mundane, a thing you use. If this is true its good news for Amiga, since the catching up will be easier.
Of course Amiga have a future.

[Iggy]

I agree with Fats. The apple crowd have no probs in calling an iPhone, iPad or any other mac related things for just MAC. Minimig, Natami, AROS, MORPH, AOS4, Classics and all related things is Amiga for me. So looking at all the activity in all the different projects, Amiga's future look bright from my POV anyway.

Then the iPad was released, I read an article interpreting holy Jobs creation like: Technology have ceased to be this firework of features, but have become mundane, a thing you use. If this is true its good news for Amiga, since the catching up will be easier.
Of course Amiga have a future.

Yep, I'm using a Mac now, but like Franko its a model Apple affectionados would snear at. So what! It runs a much better OS than Apple sells.

And the iPad? Everytime I see one of those things I can't help but think of novelty gigantic TV remotes. GHey everybody I just bought a really big iPod!

[klx300r]

@ Franko

I support AmigaOS and AROS and thank God that AI has finally been banished from anything Amiga

saying that I respect MOS as they started the project when it looked like AmigaOS was dead so the spirit of Amiga lives on in MOS as well....

the way I see it is AOS, AROS, and MOS are still ALIVE because of the spirit of the Amiga and we the users worldwide SOOOO if you get the Amiga spirit while using it THEN IMHO it's an Amiga..PERIOD & PEACE OUT:afro:

[cicero790]

@Iggy
I hope to acquire the HW to run Morph. I have always been curious of it. Since I vent PC around 97, I already had the HW for Aros, so it was natural to go that route for me. But I'm looking forward to try out Morph.

[vidarh]

And AROS, AOS4, and MorphOS all are backward compatible with 3.1. Porting software across all three platforms is fairly easy.

Porting across all Amiga platforms is possible. I've seen packages that run on all them.

It's doable, and not technically all that challenging for most software, but it's too much work, that's my main issue with it. It needs a major lift to make it less effort so that more people will release their software across all the platforms.

[Arkhan]

I think they should cut the BS and just accept their fate as a great classic computer, instead of trying to revive everything with a bunch of stupid gimmick hardware.

They succeeded at a time when there wasn't a definite OS in power, but now, Windows, OSX, and Linux have taken over pretty severely.  Why bother anymore.  Just play Amiga games and move on....

If you're happy just doing everyday computing on an Amiga, do it.  Don't wait around for the M$ Killer hardware and software to show up.  You're wasting your time.

[Franko]

I think they should cut the BS and just accept their fate as a great classic computer, instead of trying to revive everything with a bunch of stupid gimmick hardware.

They succeeded at a time when there wasn't a definite OS in power, but now, Windows, OSX, and Linux have taken over pretty severely.  Why bother anymore.  Just play Amiga games and move on....

If you're happy just doing everyday computing on an Amiga, do it.  Don't wait around for the M$ Killer hardware and software to show up.  You're wasting your time.

@ Arkhan

Who They

Nice to see you back, I was beginning to think that they had caught up with you and sent you to the chair... or worse sent you to Amigaworld.net...

[commodorejohn]

They succeeded at a time when there wasn't a definite OS in power, but now, Windows, OSX, and Linux have taken over pretty severely.  Why bother anymore.  Just play Amiga games and move on....

If you're happy just doing everyday computing on an Amiga, do it.  Don't wait around for the M$ Killer hardware and software to show up.  You're wasting your time.

I kind of half-agree and half-don't. It's silly to run around thinking that projects like NatAmi or X1000 will prove to be some kind of "Windows slayer" that will make the masses see the light; they'd have to do way more than they even aim to in order to cause average PC users to jump ship, and they'd most likely get far too expensive in the process (or more far too expensive, in X1000's case :/) Amiga die-hards have been able to make the existing hardware work for them for a long time now, and it's long since reached the saturation point of being behind the curve.

On the other hand, I think there is a place for an upgraded Amiga platform for the enthusiasts. Something like NatAmi isn't going to seriously challenge the Wintel hegemony, but it can make life easier for anybody trying to do day-to-day computing on the Amiga (particularily web browsing or other CPU-intensive tasks.) Saying "don't bother improving the hardware, just use it for games" is rather depressing. I'm not going to suggest that if people just have enough faith the entire landscape of modern computing is going to change in the Amiga's favor, but there's a big difference between staying grounded and giving up altogether on any improvement ever.

[runequester]

I kind of half-agree and half-don't. It's silly to run around thinking that projects like NatAmi or X1000 will prove to be some kind of "Windows slayer" that will make the masses see the light; they'd have to do way more than they even aim to in order to cause average PC users to jump ship, and they'd most likely get far too expensive in the process (or more far too expensive, in X1000's case :/) Amiga die-hards have been able to make the existing hardware work for them for a long time now, and it's long since reached the saturation point of being behind the curve.

At least the Natami people are pretty up front that they don't expect Natami to be a mainstream computer or PS3 killer or anything.

[Franko]

@ commodorejohn

I would never have thought seriously that either the developers of the Natami or your typical Amiga user would have thought for one moment that the Natami was going to be some sort of "Windows slayer". Kinda weird way of thinking and looking at it in my opinion.

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of PC users have never even heard the word Natami let alone what it actually is. In fact most PC users I know only have the silly things to browse the net, do a bit of shopping and pay some bills. I can honestly say that I don't personally know of one PC user who actually uses their machine to do anything creative. So for your average PC user the Natami will most likely pass them by unnoticed...

[vidarh]

I kind of half-agree and half-don't. It's silly to run around thinking that projects like NatAmi or X1000 will prove to be some kind of "Windows slayer" that will make the masses see the light;

I just want one of them to get to the stage where I can spend a reasonable chunk of my time using them for the things I like to do (programming in particular)...

Apart from that, it'd be great if we could get to a stage where the new solutions help us get *some* growth again. Getting to even, say, 50k active enthusiast users, would mean a massive difference in terms of having a vibrant community and getting more hardware or new software development / ports.

Compared to ca 5m Amiga's sold or 250m-300m PC's sold *this year alone*, getting a niche platform with the history and recognition of the Amiga to 50k users ought to still be possible, though undoubtably hard.

[nicholas]

I just want one of them to get to the stage where I can spend a reasonable chunk of my time using them for the things I like to do (programming in particular)...

Apart from that, it'd be great if we could get to a stage where the new solutions help us get *some* growth again. Getting to even, say, 50k active enthusiast users, would mean a massive difference in terms of having a vibrant community and getting more hardware or new software development / ports.

Compared to ca 5m Amiga's sold or 250m-300m PC's sold *this year alone*, getting a niche platform with the history and recognition of the Amiga to 50k users ought to still be possible, though undoubtably hard.

I'm now of the firm belief that MikeJ's Replay board with AROS 68k is the future of the Amiga.

Everything else is now an "also ran".