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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2003, 03:26:12 PM »
@ Frankb

Thanks for the insight.  I'll try it tomorrow after work.  Are there other little known key combos for the Mac I should know about?  Restart?  Self destruct? Behave?  I do like this machine, I have been able to network it to the A3000 and DL Mp3s.

 

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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2003, 03:32:34 PM »
"Power through simplicity"! :-)

I agree, this is unique on the Amiga (AmigaOS, MorphOS, AROS). Lean and mean! :-)
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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2003, 04:24:35 PM »
[color=0066CC]I absolutely agree with you with reference to registries, swap files, shutdown procedure and lack of integrated ramdisk.  Absolutely begging for trouble and very cumbersome![/color]
 

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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2003, 04:32:10 PM »
i agree....we dont need some lame windows or mac os registry style but i am pretty sure alot of people want it....bleh

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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2003, 05:04:20 PM »
Apparently with Amiga OS4.0 you first have to dance funny like those monkeys at the beginning of Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge, before you are able to see the new and improved workbench...just kidding!..hehehe :lol: :-P

I'm pretty sure it will be the other way around: once the AmigaOne quickly boots workbench, all Amigafreaks around the world will dance weird like those monkeys :-D
 

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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2003, 05:57:28 PM »
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by Tenacious on 2003/12/8 7:26:12

@ Frankb

Thanks for the insight. I'll try it tomorrow after work. Are there other little known key combos for the Mac I should know about? Restart? Self destruct? Behave? I do like this machine, I have been able to network it to the A3000 and DL Mp3s.
 

Here is a list of Macintosh Keyboard Shortcuts that I found using google, and it includes pretty much everything, and some I didn't know about.

I noticed that you had installed OS X on it. Though it is a much better OS than OS 9, it will be a slow as molassas unless you disable all the eyecandy features. I had OS X working on a Beige G3 300 with a G4 400 accellerator (w/no L2 Cache) and it did work pretty well.
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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2003, 06:05:27 PM »
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i agree....we dont need some lame windows or mac os registry style but i am pretty sure alot of people want it....bleh

The MacOS does not use registries. Prior to OS X, there was a system similar to DefIcons, but much more robust (projects/data automatically used the correct program). OS X is similar in that regard to OS 9, but is easier to manipulate. As MacOS X is based upon Unix, there is finally a shell, premptive multitasking, etc, etc. Much more like an Amiga.
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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2003, 01:23:52 AM »
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[color=0066CC]I absolutely agree with you with reference to registries, swap files, shutdown procedure and lack of integrated ramdisk.  Absolutely begging for trouble and very cumbersome![/color]

Hrm. I wonder how people treat ENV: and ENVARC: nowadays. They bear an uncanny resemblance to /etc on Linux, which is a sort-of human-readable version of the Registry. If a lot less bloated and less likely to gather dust and crud.

I consider 'swap files', 'shutdown procedures' and 'lack of integrated ramdisk' to be Good Things and strongly advocate AmigaOS 4+ supports their presence. (Or in case of the RAM-disk, absence.) Most people think of Windows when it comes to the words 'swap file' and fear that this mediocre implementation is how it's supposed to be done. Or that the system will always prefer disk- over silicon-based memory. On a proper OS (like any Unix, and I hope AOS 4), a swap file is a useful and standardised tool for temporarily having more memory at your disposal. Swap files are slow, should only be used as a temporary last resort, but are cheap and can help a mite in a fix. The problem with Windows is that it thinks it is an emergency all the time. (Which, given the fact that it was programmed by Microsoft, is not a bad assumption.)

Proper shutdown procedures are necessary to make sure all buffers and caches are flushed out to disk before the power is cycled. You also want to make sure that perhaps  some automatic save-all or issue-a-warning-to-users script is invoked when someone inadvertedly cycles the power of presses the three-finger-salute. Or even make sure that not all people can reset your beloved machine. I'm sure some of you have had inquisitive family members poking around the machine...

The RAM-disk is an archaic piece of software which is no longer necessary with modern file caching and high bus transfer speeds. With the A1000 and A500, the RAM-disk was a useful way of speeding up file accesses, as the only alternative was the maddeningly slow disk drive. Modern OSes (and thus, I hope, OS4) cache all file system accesses, reading in and writing out changes in big and thus efficient chunks. (Hence the need for a proper shutdown procedure.) There is absolutely zero need for a classic Amiga-style manual RAM-disk. A good cache contains all of its functionality and more, and works automatically too.

The moral of this story is that one should stop the a priori imposing of old design decisions on a new machine.
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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2003, 01:49:33 AM »
One thing I would like to see for Env: / Envarc: is an implementation that allows a single text file to represent all the vars an application currently may use a whole subdirectory for.

Consider some application has a bunch of stuff it stores under Envarc:Someappliaction/...

There could be lots of simple swiches, thats 1 char of text, each in a file requiring one block...

Suppose you could have a text file instead, where an OS recognised extension say '.vars' (meaningful only for files in Envarc: or Env:), where each line was the variable name, followed by the value.

Then instead of your Envarc:Someapplication folder, you could use insread

Envarc:Someapplication.vars

The OS could then intercept any attempted access to the directory Envarc:Someappication (assuming it doesnt exist) and look for Env:Someapplication.vars automatically. Conceptually, its not a lot different from a .prefs file, other than the fact its human readable text.

Some preference tool could set whether or not new env vars are to be dumped into files or create a directory.
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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2003, 02:40:22 AM »
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The OS could then intercept any attempted access to the directory Envarc:Someappication (assuming it doesnt exist) and look for Env:Someapplication.vars automatically. Conceptually, its not a lot different from a .prefs file, other than the fact its human readable text.


That's one of the really underrated parts of OSX to me. Most pref files, for the OS itself and other apps are .plist files - basically an xml document that holds info as (mostly) readable text.

Part of the benefit is not only that it's human readable, but there's a few commandline utilities for writing to and reading from  those .plist files. Apps that wish to use them just use the system tools for creating/managing them. Ideally too, one web browser can read anothers bookmarks, or font prefs or other settings.

For example iTerm, a shell app, has:
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http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">


   AntiAlias   
   BlinkingCursor   
   CopySelection   
   EnforceCharacterAlignment   
   HideTab   
         ...etc

Quite an underrated feature... and at a guess 85% of programs/utils/whatever do use .plist files for their preferences.
 

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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2003, 02:48:52 AM »
@danamania

No such thing as an original idea eh? I wasn't really thinking XML but since an xml parser service is one of the things OS 4.x is set to include, it could be ;-)
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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2003, 03:10:41 AM »
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I tried Os X and hated it, very slow and cumbersome.


I am using a 500 MHZ G3 Powerbook and OS X works great. i think you should try 10.2 or 10.3 on your system. i have a friend running 10.2 on a 250 G3 imac and its smooth and nice too. Ebay has some great deals on 10.2 you should check out. I picked it up for only $40 US.
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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2003, 03:24:17 AM »
I'm using QNX6.2.1 these days, and I think it is a great example of how virtual mem/shutdown/etc should be done, at least from a user POV. What happens "under the hood" I really don't know, but the important bit is that it doesn't bother me. It's all quick and painless, as an OS should be. Not slow and annoying, like windows and to a certain extent Linux.
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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2003, 03:30:12 AM »
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The RAM-disk is an archaic piece of software which is no longer necessary with modern file caching and high bus transfer speeds

AmigaOS’s RAM-disk feature is useful for trialling software and temp related data.
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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2003, 03:36:59 AM »
Ram disk rules. It is every system which doesnt implement an amigaos style ramdisk that is archaic and poo..

:-D
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Re: Yet another reason to love Amiga OS
« Reply #29 from previous page: December 09, 2003, 03:44:18 AM »
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Karlos wrote:
Ram disk rules. It is every system which doesnt implement an amigaos style ramdisk that is archaic and poo..

:-D


Exactly :lol:

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