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Offline Matt_H

Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2003, 10:34:08 PM »
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Amiga has had this command forever. I'm sure it's been patented somewhere. Just got to find someone willing to prove it in court.
 

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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2003, 10:35:40 PM »
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So, does anyone know how long patents last then?

Does it matter after the whole Mickey Mouse trademark/copyright?
 

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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2003, 10:36:22 PM »
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Hmm, so surely all they have to do is provide the flash memory unformatted, leaving formatting as an exercise to the user? I assume these are just like floppy disks (which incidentally also tend to come pre-formatted with FAT FS), and don't care what format they have - so on an Amiga you could format them with FFS.

I don't think you're grasping all the implications of the raw format being licensed.  That means that it's impossible to write a non-infringing FAT filesystem, because regardless of how it's written, the bits on the disk (ie what is being licensed) must be the same, otherwise it's not a FAT disk.  This affects the amiga because if one does not pay the license, then the only way to share files with a PC is a network of some kind, or a writable CD.

That said, I'd gladly pay an extra quarter for OS4 if it means I won't have to worry about this.  People like Hyperion and Genesi aren't going to be hugely affected, especially if the license is a once-only, per-copy fee for the driver.  The ones who are royally screwed are the ones writing open-source filesystems (eg the AROS crew).
 

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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2003, 10:37:14 PM »
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Microsoft has expanded its relationship with BIOS maker Phoenix Technologies. BIOS support for FAT would be OK for now…


Hmm, Microsoft and Phoenix... this trusted computer platform was brought to you by the letters D, R and M... ;-)


To quote the article
Phoenix said the DRM-enabled CME was not part of Microsoft's NGSCB, but that the technology was complementary. The CME would allow PC makers to embed digital rights management directly into the hardware, though they would have the option of allowing users to turn it off.

PS; Such Identifiable IDs was already included in Intel’s Pentium VI processor (can be turned off or on).

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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2003, 10:37:36 PM »
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So, does anyone know how long patents last then?


American Patents last approx. 20 years. If I remember correctly, the owner of the patent also has first dibs at re-purchasing it. If they don't do so in the alloted time, which is BEFORE the said patents expire, they are put on the market to be purchased by the highest bidder.

Microsoft probably makes sure not to lose any patents.
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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2003, 10:37:54 PM »
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Does it matter after the whole Mickey Mouse trademark/copyright?


Hmm maybe not , good point

If you have enough influence and money I guess you can write your own law books :-(
 

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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2003, 10:47:10 PM »
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The nasty trick with this is that they allowed this violation of copyrights (I assume they have a copyright on FAT) until the cameras and so are generally accepted.


That's the whole point. Now that they see that something is worth while charging they do. Give something for free and when it is used a lot charge for it.

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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2003, 10:49:10 PM »
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I don't think you're grasping all the implications of the raw format being licensed.  That means that it's impossible to write a non-infringing FAT filesystem, because regardless of how it's written, the bits on the disk (ie what is being licensed) must be the same, otherwise it's not a FAT disk.  This affects the amiga because if one does not pay the license, then the only way to share files with a PC is a network of some kind, or a writable CD.


Hmm, okay, but it doesn't affect the Amiga much, because most users would already have CrossDOS or similar.  Having said that, it would make things a teensy bit inconvenient for new users.

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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2003, 10:52:12 PM »
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Hmm, okay, but it doesn't affect the Amiga much, because most users would already have CrossDOS or similar. Having said that, it would make things a teensy bit inconvenient for new users.


If a filesystem converter was written... a util that detects the FATxx filesystem, doesn't let the user read it, just ask if it wants to be converted to (whatever), including all the data.

Just a thought.
 

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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2003, 10:55:09 PM »
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Pentium VI? Can I borrow your time machine?

LOL, I didn't even think of that (version jump).  I just ignored whoever said it originally because I was thinking that no successor to the P4 has been announced in any shape or form yet :-)

I wonder if AMD had continued primarily calling their CPUs K7, K8, etc, rather than Athlon..., whether Intel would have done what Netscape did in terms of version skipping.
 

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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2003, 11:00:29 PM »
What about the patent that Amiga supposedly holds for autoboot cd's ?

must be a bob or two worth chasing M$ for !!   :-o
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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2003, 11:02:59 PM »
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Pentium VI?  Can I borrow your time machine?  :-)

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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2003, 11:05:08 PM »
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must be a bob or two worth chasing M$ for !!


Would you still like Amiga/compatibles if their respective makers sunk as low as MS tactics?
 

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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2003, 11:06:54 PM »
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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2003, 11:13:57 PM »
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Pentium VI? Can I borrow your time machine?

LOL, I didn't even think of that (version jump).  I just ignored whoever said it originally because I was thinking that no successor to the P4 has been announced in any shape or form yet :-)

I flipped the IV characters around, my mistake (i.e. time to stick with the normal 1,2,3...n).
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Re: They are here! M$ and a new trick!
« Reply #44 from previous page: December 08, 2003, 12:08:50 AM »
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ould you still like Amiga/compatibles if their respective makers sunk as low as MS tactics?


Only if it was for money to advance the "alternatives" to M$

and if they proved beforehand they desperately needed the money, then I could forgive them.

until they didnt desperately need the money
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