Has CommodoreUSA shipped anything?

[amigadave]

It's like someone took a chewed up A1200 and an A3000 and painted them black!  A fat keyboard, big enough to be an all in one, but requiring a desktop box.

How lame.

..or are those two separate products...

Just concept drawings, probably of separate products.

I really don't understand all the negative hysteria that has been floating around several Amiga related forum websites since C=USA's announcement that they had bought the Amiga name to use with their proposed products?

Not that your message is hysterical tone007, but I would have to disagree with your opinion, as I think Yoz Montana's designs are quite nice looking.

If I were a big fan of AROS, I would welcome the chance to get a case, or complete computer with Amiga branding that looks as nice as these renders to run AROS on.

I do understand why some people might be upset if all C=USA is doing is buying existing "All-In-One" keyboard computer designs for "X" dollars, putting a few stickers on them, installing a free OS and trying to resell them for "X" dollars + 40% to 50% markup profit.  But these new designs, if ever produced, might be an interesting choice for some people.

If anyone is ONLY upset with C=USA because they bought the Amiga name from Amiga Inc., grow up!  That was the only legal place such a name purchase could be obtained from, unless you expect everyone to wait another X years for the Amiga trademarks to be sold, or abandoned by Bill McEwen & company to someone else, and then think it would be OKAY to purchase the Amiga name from someone else.

[the_leander]

You're correct about the "NeoAmiga 1200," Mongo, but the "NeoAmiga 1000" and others appear to be real:
http://www.aumro.com/products.html

I gotta admit, they dream big. (When has anyone in Miggy-Land not?) I'm just curious if they'll ever actually produce.

I have to say, those cases are actually quite cool.

Not sure about his reimagined 1200 with the sliding keyboard (as much as there is a small bit of me that admires the retro form factor, my utilitarian side has long since tamed it), but the "big box" (aumro TF5 case) amiga... I think has a certain style that I do find appealing.

I have to say, if Barry were to stop trying to sell to the retro crowd and concentrate on selling very stylish PCs like one housed in the aumro TF5, he could probably do quite well for himself.

[the_leander]

I don't care about the copyright infringment, as I have never met anyone that has never committed copyright infringement, and consider what he did to be benign.

Many people disagree with you on that last part, simply because of the commercial aspect of it all.

[persia]

@Retrofan

What's in the keyboard and what's in the box?

[Amiga_Nut]

.  But these new designs, if ever produced, might be an interesting choice for some people.

You answered the question there yourself really. This seller of imported Chinese furniture is grabbing text from Apple and pictures of completely unrelated products (like the A500+CD render or the C64+CD drive custom built one off DIY project) WITHOUT PERMISSION to promote his rubbish joke of a rebranded computer. You would have to be a bit of a nobhead to do anything other than wait for this man, who's first two initials are the same as those for Bull Shit I might add, to actually produce anything other than stickers to put on fugly all-in-ones for a huge mark up

If he had even just designed a custom case to place mini ITX boards inside them that would be fine, but he hasn't and never will. Grow up and get real, Bill the conman of Amiga Inc did a deal with some loser to try and ramp up his company's value and this is it. Another project he touched that will turn to shit not gold haha

[takemehomegrandma]

Looks *really* cool!

[4pLaY]

The design suggestions dosent look to shabby but will it ever materialize? i doubt it. The webpage however looks like something they made at home for fun, no consistency, way to big pictures splattered all over +++ all in all very "i did this as my first webpage at home", i could have made something better in a day. If they really have the cash they bragg they do, they should hire some professionals.

[Franko]

A word from Moochie...





(get a grip... if that's an Amiga then I'm 100% sane) :crazy:

[Crom00]

A word from Moochie...


Hey look if they can get it done then more power to them. Nice design.

[cha05e90]

Looks *really* cool!

...and the colour scheme fits perfectly to a MorphOS machine... ;-)

[Akiko]

Correct me if I'm wrong but CommodoreUSA never actually designed that case?

I think a company with "30 million" for advertising alone should be able to exhibit some  designs of their own. Even one days interest on 30 million should be sufficient to make a half professional looking website.

[Iggy]

think about this, how would you liked if Genesi bought a licence for the Amiga name, and started using the Amiga brand instead of MorphOS. how would that affected you?

I've been trying to point out to diehard MorphOS users for some time that Genesi isn't really important to us anymore. They don't current sell any MOS capabile equipment. Their last Efika motherboard uses an ARM processor (which they're now focusing on instead of PPCs) and their focusing on Linux as their OS of choice.

Genesi gave up on the Amiga market awhile ago. It seems unlikely they would condsider anything like you've mentioned. But if they did, they'd probably favor Linux (which Barry Altman has mentioned) for the new system.

[Franko]

I've got nothing against CommodoreUSA buying in stock boards & putting them in cases designed by others and even using the Commodore name.

What I do find objectionable is the use of the C64 & AMIGA brand names, and the fact that if they do produce and sell such machines that some poor mugs who might have been out of the scene for a while may purchase one thinking they are getting a nice new modern genuine C64 or AMIGA that's 100% backwards compatible...

If anyone want's to run a C64 or AMIGA under emulation (which is all these machines will be doing) then buy an emulator for your PC or MAC and save yourself a small fortune.

I wish them luck in their ventures, just wish they wouldn't tarnish the legacy of two of the best home computers the world has ever seen.

[A1260]

I've been trying to point out to diehard MorphOS users for some time that Genesi isn't really important to us anymore. They don't current sell any MOS capabile equipment. Their last Efika motherboard uses an ARM processor (which they're now focusing on instead of PPCs) and their focusing on Linux as their OS of choice.

Genesi gave up on the Amiga market awhile ago. It seems unlikely they would condsider anything like you've mentioned. But if they did, they'd probably favor Linux (which Barry Altman has mentioned) for the new system.

when genesi made their os they was planing to release it as amigaos, but since they didnt get the name at the time they named it morphos. genesi as a company know very well that a well known brand will sell a product more than a unknown brand. so again if you as a long time morphos user, got the news by genesi that they now have a licence for the amiga brand and was gonna change from morphos name to the amigaos name. how would that affected you as user?

[EDanaII]

I have to say, those cases are actually quite cool.

Not sure about his reimagined 1200 with the sliding keyboard (as much as there is a small bit of me that admires the retro form factor, my utilitarian side has long since tamed it), but the "big box" (aumro TF5 case) amiga... I think has a certain style that I do find appealing.

I have to say, if Barry were to stop trying to sell to the retro crowd and concentrate on selling very stylish PCs like one housed in the aumro TF5, he could probably do quite well for himself.

Yea, I kinda like those cases too. If I'd known about them when I was building my AROS system, I might have chosen that slimmer model to house the motherboard. Of course, I don't think it's wide enough to fit a keyboard underneath, but I still like it's looks.

[Jan]

Hi guys 'n gals!
though I just signed up here *blush* I'm a real Amiga fanboy

Now back to the topic. I really don't get all the negativity towards Commodore USA.
These new renderings are not stolen and these guys are actually in negotiation with
the designer.

That said I don't quite get their current business model either.
Who is the target market for a PC64? Probably some nostalgic fanboys - maybe you
sell like 900 units, that's if you're lucky. I am however really interested in the
development of the new Amiga line, and I'd like to bring across my pov about what
I think a new Amiga needs… though I'm afraid it flies in the face of many Amiga
enthusiasts.

I do hope Commodore USA builds a kickass high performance workstation and does not
go the ‘low cost / low performance’ way. We already have a Mac Mini.

For me the logical thing to do is drop all lame as hell PPC stuff and go with todays
MUCH faster and much more cost effective x86 architecture. Currently Intel i7
processors are a good choice.
For the GFX card forget about these laughable Radeon R700 they want to use in the
X1000, I'd suggest nothing slower than an ATI Radeon HD 5870.

Firewire, USB and a Blu-Ray drive with a slim A1200 style keyboard would be heaven.
Let’s hope they stick to Yoz design. We can just put the stuff that gets hot in the
A3000-esque box.

So now to the thing you will hate me for The software support in MorphOS, AmigaOS
and even AROS is from the pov of a professional musican,  hobbyist video artist,
3d modeller and programmer a joke.

Logic Audio, Final Cut Pro, Maya, the whole Adobe Suite & After Effects (running on
OS X!) are essential. For Nuendo, Samplitude, AutoCAD, gaming and XBOX360 programming
a Windows 7 System does fine - no let me rephrase - is much recommended.

There is no way those other Amiga OSystems could ever catch up with the amount of
driver support currently available for Windows and OS X Systems.
So in my opinion the best and most efficient thing to do is choose all parts like
network, firewire, Bluetooth, USB and soundchip to be commodity (Mac compatible!)
PC hardware.

For a workstation a SSD or even SSD raid would be appropriate. All other parts like
power supply and GFX card should be customized to the lowest noise level achievable.
Since we are Commodore freaks the first batch of Amiga workstations comes with a  
free HardSID PCIe card included.

The user runs Linux, Mac OS X, Windows 7 or if she’s a masochist AROS x86 (that's if
the devs ever catch up with the port… ).

Since we’re helpful peeps who know what people really need, all Amigas will get a
DVD with custom OS X SATA drivers to support Read/Write on NTFS drives right from
the start. As well as some kind of Linux Mint distro for starters with no OS
whatsoever. Amigas should be fun for everyone, no?

We also do our own custom Amiga boot menu OS X / Windows / some Linux distro / AROS.
Hey we could even do a competition who comes up with the most slick boot screen.

If people want to work as professionals in the media industry they need to use the
professional software at hand. Even if there was a brandnew realtime OS with never
heard of resource and task management it would be useless from the perspective of
someone who works in such an   environment and has to exchange work with others.

Speaking of price ranges, an Amiga workstation system like the one described above,
would fall in-between a MAC Pro and one of these so called “Gamer PCs” that look
like a Walmart Halloween decoration.
There would be plenty of opportunities for the Amiga community to support the Amiga.
Like  improving the Linux Mint distro for those who prefer to go without OS X/Win,
or working on AROS drivers.

But isn’t this just a normal PC with the Amiga label attached to it?
Well, given Yoz Montana’s design and the feature list above, it’s something that
does not exist yet but is closest to what I envision a modern Amiga to be.

Just my 2 cent.