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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2010, 03:16:11 AM »
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When you think about it, no matter whether the name is AOS4, MOS, AROS or even Windows they don't run Amiga apps natively, they emulate legacy systems in order to do it.
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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2010, 03:39:04 AM »
I will always be looking and hoping for something new - But I will also keep a "classic" system or two up and running.
I have, and will keep, an A1000 system mostly for early games - since it uses just 1.3 OS.  I have to have a system with 3.1/3.5/3.9 on it for any serious work (and new games).
I use AmiKit also, and with 3.5 OS running on it, we get along fine.
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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2010, 03:43:08 AM »
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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2010, 06:53:42 AM »
With various FPGA solutions coming along, I imagine we'll have "amiga" in some form, for quite a while.
 

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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2010, 08:00:31 AM »
A and D.
Try to keep all my Amiga's alive and still hope for FPGA Arcade and Natami to come out, so i can semi retire the old girls (still play with them every now and then..).
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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2010, 08:19:23 AM »
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A and D.
Try to keep all my Amiga's alive and still hope for FPGA Arcade and Natami to come out, so i can semi retire the old girls (still play with them every now and then..).

I agree :)
It's going to be hard to keep it all working, but as long as i invest in new PSU's and some rework to caps, all should be good.
 
I also hope Natami comes trough, it would be great for everyday use.
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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2010, 01:29:54 PM »
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With various FPGA solutions coming along, I imagine we'll have "amiga" in some form, for quite a while.


I just hope something does actually see the light of day and doesn't stay in the 'Pray For A Miracle' category... :)
 

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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2010, 01:46:58 PM »
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I will keep my Classic going, like an old collector´s vintage car.

Emulation is really great and comfortable, but it does not compare to the real thing. In emulation timing is not that precise, and some features are unavailable, like WOS/PUP.

Two years ago I was like this -- a hardware guy who would never switch --- and I even used the "emulation is not that precise" argument, because I mainly use my Amiga's for music MIDI recording - in which timing is VERY important.

Then my A2000 broke down and was going to be very expensive to fix (although I did try).  I gave WinUAE a shot and was blown away with how fast and precise it was.  I could run all my original Amiga productivity software (including MIDI recording software) without a problem - timing or otherwise.

So I don't get this issue - can anyone point out a timing problem in UAE?

I still love real hardware, but for east of use, compatibility, easy replacent of parts and pure speed I find emulation has really matured.
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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2010, 03:28:21 PM »
There is the absence of other alternatives, for example I use WinUAE with OS 3.9 (legal) and Sam with OS 4.1.2 and I think what bot things is possible, emulation and real hardware, for example to programming, with the emulation we have the possibilitie to have much Amiga hardware (although emulate) to test our creations, programs, tools, games, icons, etc.
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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2010, 03:33:59 PM »
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As time goes on and we all find it more & more difficult to keep our old classic Amiga hardware up and running, do you ever think that the time will come when the only way to run an Amiga will be under emulation or do you believe like I do that you will always have some Amiga hardware to use no matter it costs to do so . Or have you already given up trying to keep your classic hardware going and are using an alternative system or emulator instead.

Amiga Forever !, What will you do... :)

a) Always try to keep your classic Amiga hardware up & running.
b) Be giving it up and using an alternative system/emulation instead.
c) Already gave up and using an alternative system/emulator.
d) Pray for a miracle & new Amiga hardware.


I will keep my amigas running as long as I am around, after I am gone I won't care.
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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2010, 04:45:39 PM »
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I will keep my amigas running as long as I am around, after I am gone I won't care.


That's the first "I'm sticking with my old hardware" arguement that affected me.

OK, you're right, who gives a damn what happens after we're gone? I just fear for those who carry on after us. Hopefully, the world they live in won't be too f'd up and they'll still have the snall measures of freedom we all take for granted.

I'm kind of glad I won't know the answer to that, because if past human behavior is any indication, things could either be really cool or horribly messed up.
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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2010, 07:36:04 PM »
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I will keep my amigas running as long as I am around, after I am gone I won't care.


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That's the first "I'm sticking with my old hardware" arguement that affected me.

OK, you're right, who gives a damn what happens after we're gone? I just fear for those who carry on after us. Hopefully, the world they live in won't be too f'd up and they'll still have the snall measures of freedom we all take for granted.


@ amiga92570
Hear, Hear... Couldn't have said it better myself... :)

@Iggy
No point in caring about what comes after we're gone, follow amiga92570's example, cos once you've shuffled off this mortal coil nothing matters anymore... :)
 

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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2010, 07:49:22 PM »
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@ amiga92570
@Iggy
No point in caring about what comes after we're gone, follow amiga92570's example, cos once you've shuffled off this mortal coil nothing matters anymore... :)

I disagree with this logic. Kind of like having life insurance for your loved ones... the gift that keeps on giving sort of thing. lol  Good to maintain classic hardware for others (be it family, friends or those who purchase your goods after you're gone) and besides, there's nothing like playing on the real thing. I haven't messed around with emulation too much because I just don't enjoy it. I guess if I didn't have the know-how to keep classic hardware running, I'd be more inclined to pursue the emulation thing.

Simply put though, I like the looks and feel of using vintage/classic equipment. Always have. Always will. Plus, there will always be value in real original hardware. There's little to no value in modern computers emulating real machines. Time has proven this over and over again and not just using computers as an example. ALL vintage electronics, antiques, furniture, autos, etc.
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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2010, 08:38:07 PM »
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I disagree with this logic. Kind of like having life insurance for your loved ones... the gift that keeps on giving sort of thing. lol  Good to maintain classic hardware for others (be it family, friends or those who purchase your goods after you're gone) and besides, there's nothing like playing on the real thing. I haven't messed around with emulation too much because I just don't enjoy it. I guess if I didn't have the know-how to keep classic hardware running, I'd be more inclined to pursue the emulation thing.

Simply put though, I like the looks and feel of using vintage/classic equipment. Always have. Always will. Plus, there will always be value in real original hardware. There's little to no value in modern computers emulating real machines. Time has proven this over and over again and not just using computers as an example. ALL vintage electronics, antiques, furniture, autos, etc.


I never said it was logical... :) Far from it... :)

I agree with your sentiments on vintage/classic stuff wholeheartedly, but as for life insurance, nah... why bother when I can spend that money on fags, booze and unhealthy food and as for leaving stuff behind for other family members, sod them, let them work for it like I had to do, (bunch of no good lazy buggers, the lot of them...) :biglaugh:
 

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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2010, 09:01:08 PM »
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I agree with your sentiments on vintage/classic stuff wholeheartedly, but as for life insurance, nah... why bother when I can spend that money on fags, booze and unhealthy food and as for leaving stuff behind for other family members, sod them, let them work for it like I had to do, (bunch of no good lazy buggers, the lot of them...) :biglaugh:

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Re: Amiga Forever !, What Will You Do...
« Reply #29 from previous page: October 30, 2010, 10:25:15 PM »
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I disagree with this logic. Kind of like having life insurance for your loved ones... the gift that keeps on giving sort of thing. lol  Good to maintain classic hardware for others (be it family, friends or those who purchase your goods after you're gone) and besides, there's nothing like playing on the real thing. I haven't messed around with emulation too much because I just don't enjoy it. I guess if I didn't have the know-how to keep classic hardware running, I'd be more inclined to pursue the emulation thing.

Simply put though, I like the looks and feel of using vintage/classic equipment. Always have. Always will. Plus, there will always be value in real original hardware. There's little to no value in modern computers emulating real machines. Time has proven this over and over again and not just using computers as an example. ALL vintage electronics, antiques, furniture, autos, etc.


Exactly, if I had a kid I would want him/her to know there was a time when a computer was much more than the pieces of crap sold in shops today, and people had a real choice. OK if this is not something you care about then fair enough. And anyway A500/600/1200s are still easy to find on a daily basis on scumbay :)

And also for me, when the last Commodore built motherboard fails to power up to life in the world then there is no more Amiga, anything other than those machines built by Commodore pre bankruptcy are NOT Amiga.

Emulation is fine, it is great but it is nothing like using a real classic Amiga. You can drive a Ferrari in Gran Turismo or you can drive a Ferrari to get your groceries in real life. One is only similar to the other if you are a bit stupid and never experienced the real thing ;)