Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86

[ElPolloDiabl]

Well if you were an Amiga user back in the day,you may just get why some of us DO NOT WANT x86!

But don`t worry there`s always CommodoreUSA for ya,go knock yourself out with that junk.

I want both and like BeOS was at the end. We'll see which one is more popular. Maybe if BeOS had gone x86 sooner, they wouldn't dead and torn limb from limb, then have some company take a wiss on their grave.

[krashan]

AROS has already surpassed the other OS's in the 3D API dept...  It could be a great platform for PC gaming

I think you should look at some performance benchmarks of AROS 3D. Then you may avoid putting such amusing statements.

[amigadave]

The day Amiga goes x86 is the day I retire from the scene.

The day they go x86 i'll probably run OS4. I don't get why people wants to buy overpriced "dongles" to run it.

I don't see why anyone gets so polarized for or against which CPU is inside their computer?  All I care about is how it performs and what it costs to purchase, plus how reliable it is and will the company that sells and/or manufacturers it be in business in the future to replace the CPU should it fail while under any kind of warranty, or will there be a stock of parts to replace dead CPU's if I decide to keep running my new computer as long as I have run and plan to continue running some of my original Amiga computers.

x86, PPC, or some other, perhaps not yet known CPU, who cares and why, unless you are a developer that is expert at coding for one architecture and not the other using Assembly Language, or some other programming language that has CPU specific commands and/or functions, and if you are, having the OS ported to the opposite architecture than the one you are used to coding for does not mean that you are forced to stop coding for the architecture of your preference, as PPC computers are not going to disappear on the day that AmigaOS4.x, or MorphOS2.x are ported to x86.  x86 just provides more choices for users and programmers above what we already have.

[Buzzfuzz]

I don't see why anyone gets so polarized for or against which CPU is inside their computer? All I care about is how it performs and what it costs to purchase, plus how reliable it is and will the company that sells and/or manufacturers it be in business in the future to replace the CPU should it fail while under any kind of warranty, or will there be a stock of parts to replace dead CPU's if I decide to keep running my new computer as long as I have run and plan to continue running some of my original Amiga computers.
 
x86, PPC, or some other, perhaps not yet known CPU, who cares and why, unless you are a developer that is expert at coding for one architecture and not the other using Assembly Language, or some other programming language that has CPU specific commands and/or functions, and if you are, having the OS ported to the opposite architecture than the one you are used to coding for does not mean that you are forced to stop coding for the architecture of your preference, as PPC computers are not going to disappear on the day that AmigaOS4.x, or MorphOS2.x are ported to x86. x86 just provides more choices for users and programmers above what we already have.

Exactly :hammer:
I don't see the point either, and while we are on the base of price, reliability and warranty I rather prefer a good core I7 with everything on it than a 1800-2000 euro costing X1000 with hardware in it that is only able to run OS4/Morph OS and maybe even Linux if you can get it to run on it.
 
At least with a x86 machine I can always put Windows or MacOs or whatever you want on it and make it dual / triple booting.
And with a x86 machine I have more reliability and warranty, Intel covers 3 years on boxed cpu's and mainboards, which I never had to make use of so far and I have been using Intel products for years.

[coldfish]

I can understand people wanting to stick with what they know.  

But the nature of computer technology is to rapidly evolve and develop.  Anyone who resists the flow just ends up becoming a dinosaur.  Or a retro hobbyist.  ;oP

[lsmart]

... hardware in it that is only able to run OS4/Morph OS and maybe even Linux ...
 
At least with a x86 machine I can always put Windows or MacOs

So you like Windows (MacOS doesn´t run on a vanilla x86) better than Amiga OS 4?
Linux for the X1000 is on the way. Some beta-testers get it only for that purpose.

[the_leander]

So you like Windows (MacOS doesn´t run on a vanilla x86)

Getting MacOS to run on vanilla x86 is trivial.

Is there any word on a working port of Linux for the X1000?

[Crom00]

Even if the Amiga came out for X86, Arm, PPC, and whatever CPU there is it would not take off as there is such a taint to the Amiga brand.

The only way I can think of the brand taking off is if the Amiga os is used for somekind of as of yet new technology or break into some market segment that is unexplored and becomes the market leader/ standard in that category.

If you examine NewTek. They took the toaster technology and applied it to live video streaming over the net when the big networks weren't thinking about online video. Today NewTek Tricaster is the standard Live Video Switch and Stream tool.

A lot of what is going on has it's roots back to the Amiga days.

A what if scenario here: What if Amiga had caught on as a Cell Phone OS early on? But a complete lack of ability by the IP holders held them back. At least Hyperion actually code and produce product.

[Tomas]

That would be Trevor Dickinson, one of the A-eon partners, not Hyperion.

Well, their(Hyperion, Hermans) stand against x86 is well known for years. I guess admitting defeat may be too much for some egos. Maybe ARM, but that is still a distant future (possibility?) for high-performance desktops.

At least they changed their mind about Pegasos. They even denied any plans of porting OS4.x to it even though they were working on it behind the scenes at that time. The release of 4.x for pegasos machines took everyone by surprise, so it would not surprise me if the same happened with x86 in the future. It is really a bad business decision to reveal such plans when you got another system about to be released. Imagine if hyperion today announced that x86 port for cheap affordable hardware was annoucned, would you then think X1000 or acube would sell at all?? Announcing x86 support at this time would be like shooting themselves, aeon and acube in the leg.

Edit: And oh yeah.. There was no plans for classic port of 4.1 either and they denied that even a short while ago and yet oddly enough they announced the port this weekend.

[wawrzon]

Edit: And oh yeah.. There was no plans for classic port of 4.1 either and they denied that even a short while ago and yet oddly enough they announced the port this weekend.

and what does it reveal about them in your opinion?
me, if i was still slightly interested i would be really cautious now.

[Heiroglyph]

If they were secretly planning an x86 port and still allowing x1000 development to proceed, I'd be terrified to work with them in the future.

[ferrellsl]

I think you should look at some performance benchmarks of AROS 3D. Then you may avoid putting such amusing statements.

I think lou_dias is absolutely correct.  AROS now runs on some of the latest Nvida GPUs and OS4 is still stuck with a video chipset that's at least 5 years behind the rest of the world.  I'm also seeing new hardware support for AROS on a regular basis.  In the past 2 months alone I've seen new WiFi support and new HD audio support.  When is the last time anyone has seen any new hardware support for OS4?

[persia]

@runequester

But surely most of the code would be in C and the parts where bit order are important would be limited.  But without access to the source it's only a guess, but I don't think we're talking major rewrite here.  You also have the advantage that the software currently available can easily be recompiled and a rosetta layer should not be necessary.

But as others have said, it likely would be of benefit to users only and wouldn't help Hyperion....

[persia]

@ElPolloDiabl

Haiku-OS looks good though.  Still I think the OS wars have moved on to Tablets and Haiku's chances are slim to make any real impact.

[utri007]

x86 would stop all OS4 projects for years and not income in that time. It would only make costs, not any profit. And who wants to wait another 3-5 years in this situation? when we have more hardware that ever, after commodore

It is possible to make cheap PPC hardware, look at efica, to adding to it memory slot or two would make it perfect cheap solution for as.

I allso remember interview of BeOs developer who blamed that x86 actually killed BeOs

[rebraist]

yes. aos for arm. and will there be an aos4 for z80 too?