A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls

[runequester]

Its easy kids: Answer a few questions before posting:

A: Am I posting this purely to be a dickweed ?

B: Will my post add anything useful to the conversation ?

C: Has my post been repeated 10.000 times before ?


Most variations of "MORPH OS IS NOT AMIGA" and "X1000 IS EXPENSIVE" fail the third test, and likely the second as well.n

[runequester]

Oh, so having a different opinion is grounds for being banned?  And Transition has appointed you as his spokesman?

There's a difference between having a different opinion and being a dick about it.


The best analogy here is someone telling you "please don't piss in the pool" and the people being outraged: "we can't piss anywhere within 20 miles of the pool!"

[LoadWB]

There's a difference between having a different opinion and being a dick about it.


The best analogy here is someone telling you "please don't piss in the pool" and the people being outraged: "we can't piss anywhere within 20 miles of the pool!"

And, frankly, the trolling IS completely off-topic in the first place.  All it does is serve to drive the thread into the ground, obfuscating the original content and intent.  Even more so when people take the bait.

If you have a burr up your butt that falls into the categories specified previously, blog about it or start your own anti-amiga.org and leave the rest of us alone.

And, as Cammy has demonstrated, it works both ways.  If obvious troll is obviously trolling, just let it ride.  Read the post with pity, and move along.

[the_leander]

There's a difference between having a different opinion and being a dick about it.

Problem is that all too many folks are happy to leap up and down and whine like little children whenever they come across opinions that differ from their own.

If there was a problem then as orb85750 stated, it would have been far better for this to have been taken private with the individuals concerned rather than this.

All it does is serve to drive the thread into the ground, obfuscating the original content and intent.

Which to be blunt it absolutely deserves. As to the original intent, whatever that may have been it died the moment this thread was started. Piru and ferrellsl are bang on the money - all that has been achieved is a chilling effect.

This threat/thread serves no useful purpose. Speak directly to those involved.

If you have a burr up your butt that falls into the categories specified previously, blog about it or start your own anti-amiga.org and leave the rest of us alone.

Yes, how dare people have descenting opinion on this site! Burn the strangers!

Hmm, where have I read crap like that before? Wait don't tell me, it'll come to me...

[ajlwalker]

+1 Cammy
and +1 Transition, big time, it needed said.

I seem to recall reading somewhere theat a.org is pushing to achieve 10,000 users.  This won't happen if the current state of a.org is allowed to continue.  Perhaps the trolls will say this won't happen anyway.

Day in, day out, we see childish antics on here.  I rarely post any more at all, and will probably just give up on this site at some stage.  Don't worry I won't be making an announcement and flouncing off.  If I don't like a club, I just leave, simple as that.

However, if the owners do decide to pursue this, then perhaps those it is aimed at will like to consider their future here.  Maybe then we would see the silent membership start contributing.

[amigadave]

@Transition,

I find it interesting that some of the members that are complaining the loudest, are also the same members that are often seen disrupting threads with off topic, negative, thread derailing, crap postings that serve no useful purpose to the community, or this site.  I am glad that the administrators and moderators here have put the members on notice that too much nonsense will have consequences (and hopefully repeated offenses will result in more lengthy vacations from A.org).

@Cammy,

+1

@who ever said that many members here may be hesitant to post, or would post more often if they felt that there were less trolls that criticize posts for no better reason than to try to humiliate other posters, or create bad feelings where none should exist (or something to that effect), I totally agree.  With stricter enforcement of the existing posting guidelines, or even enforcement of some new guidelines that are aimed at lessening the amount of negative comments and trolling, there is a chance that the number of posters may go up.  If not, I would prefer quality of posts, over quantity any day.

Thanks for bringing up this topic and I hope that it will stem the tide of "noise-to- useful content" here and lead to more productive interactions between all flavors of the Amiga Experience.  Differences are valued, but confrontation without a constructive purpose is a useless waste of time and energy for everyone.

[the_leander]

I find it interesting that some of the members that are complaining the loudest, are also the same members that are often seen disrupting threads with off topic, negative, thread derailing, crap postings that serve no useful purpose to the community, or this site.

And using the passive aggressive is absolutely not negative or liable to cause aggravation in any way, right?

@Cammy,

+1

There's a shocker.

Two words: Project Natami.

@who ever said that many members here may be hesitant to post, or would post more often if they felt that there were less trolls that criticize posts for no better reason than to try to humiliate other posters, or create bad feelings where none should exist (or something to that effect), I totally agree.  

Because your first paragraph totally wasn't about trying to humiliate people into your way of thinking...

or even enforcement of some new guidelines that are aimed at lessening the amount of negative comments  

Welcome to Amigaworld.net!

[Karlos]

If thread speak about pancakes you can read (again) the same, too boring.

Pancakes are an amiga.org tradition. Every forum gets a few house memes over the years.

[cha05e90]

And using the passive aggressive is absolutely not negative or liable to cause aggravation in any way, right?

Interesting personal interpretation.  

There's a shocker. Two words: Project Natami.

Yes. Especially if the price tag for this will be revealed.

[the_leander]

Interesting personal interpretation.  

Accurate too.

Yes. Especially if the price tag for this will be revealed.

I expect less than the X1000, possibly around the same price as the Sam 440.

The point about my linking to that thread however is, as much as I'm a total douche at times, I have trouble stomaching moral guidance from someone who less than a month ago lied to this forum about what was happening in the Natami project's management in an apparent attempt to torpedo it.

inb4whiteknights

[VingtTrois]

This is what I think the difference is between trolling and expressing an opinion....

+++1

[Cammy]

the_leander, I think you have misinterpreted something in the Natami thread, I never lied about anything at all. I was removed from the Natami team without any explanation, and although Gunnar provided an IRC log which he claims was the basis for my removal, Forcie has told me on IRC that he doesn't know exactly who removed me or why. I admit I should have handled it with a little more tact considering how blown out of proportion the reactions in that thread were, but if you'll look back through my entire history of posts on this and other Amiga forums you'll see that one post where I got a little too personal is the exception among what I think has been mostly positive or constructive conversation over the years. I don't see any point in lying.

And I don't know where you got the idea I was offering moral guidance, my post in this thread was an attempt to stop the fighting by explaining in my own terms what I think would be considered trolling and what's not.

If you have a problem with me personally, how about we deal with it on IRC? I don't think you'll succeed in turning my friends against me by persisting the way you are here.

[Tension]

So basically if i criticise anything amiga-related i must be a troll?

[Tension]

the_leander, I think you have misinterpreted something in the Natami thread, I never lied about anything at all. I was removed from the Natami team without any explanation, and although Gunnar provided an IRC log which he claims was the basis for my removal, Forcie has told me on IRC that he doesn't know exactly who removed me or why. I admit I should have handled it with a little more tact considering how blown out of proportion the reactions in that thread were, but if you'll look back through my entire history of posts on this and other Amiga forums you'll see that one post where I got a little too personal is the exception among what I think has been mostly positive or constructive conversation over the years. I don't see any point in lying.

And I don't know where you got the idea I was offering moral guidance, my post in this thread was an attempt to stop the fighting by explaining in my own terms what I think would be considered trolling and what's not.

If you have a problem with me personally, how about we deal with it on IRC? I don't think you'll succeed in turning my friends against me by persisting the way you are here.

This sounds like trolling to me.

[Cammy]

Tension, of course it would, you have had an unfounded grudge against me for a long time now.

[Karlos]

Look, let's not lose sight of the main issue here. That being, you all have to do as I say.

/me runs away