Yeah, CED was always a terrific program, I just can't get past the issue of being forced to buy it retail and have it shipped from England/Europe to Canada. When I bought my SAM from a vendor over there, the sale was terrific up until it came to it being shipped - it arrived and the box was all mangled and looked like it had been opened, not to mention the shipper "losing" the item for a week mysteriously, added fees, etc. Not an experience I want to repeat and the cost by the time it got here would be pushing it for Amiga software buying CED retail. Will have a look at OS 4 Depot and see what's around for OS 4 native text editors, thanks all!