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Offline Heiroglyph

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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2010, 04:17:58 PM »
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I dont see anyone wanting to do the work to port Amiga to x86. I cant see anyone believing theyd ever see a return on their invesement to do that.


Aros is doing a pretty good job of that, but I agree there is no money in it.

It would have to be a labor of love, that's for sure.
 

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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2010, 04:28:31 PM »
Everyone is thinking 1 dimensional. Why not make use of all those excellent virtual machines and set them up to run the legacy software. I guess that is for AROS to do... eventually.
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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2010, 05:18:48 PM »
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Everyone is thinking 1 dimensional. Why not make use of all those excellent virtual machines and set them up to run the legacy software.


Hi, that sounds like an emulator, and is why UAE is about everywhere.
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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2010, 05:33:44 PM »
I believe PPC was the past future of amiga. I think they should think about rewriting the os for x86 and cheap up to date hardware. I do not believe amiga was ever about the hardware, 68000 was just the most practical at the time amiga was introduced. I think if Jay Miner had a pentium or xeon available at the time he would have used it.
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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2010, 05:38:13 PM »
http://news.cnet.com/Intel-shows-off-80-core-processor/2100-1006_3-6158181.html
 
I would vote for this, intels newest, an 80 core cpu. :)
 
Say what you want about intel, they have a future, they are not stuck in place like the ppc is.
 
PPC fans, can you match an 80 core processor that will become available for
early adopters in 5 years from now? 12 years ago moving amiga to ppc was a good idea. Today, there is no future in ppc.
 
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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2010, 05:59:48 PM »
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http://news.cnet.com/Intel-shows-off-80-core-processor/2100-1006_3-6158181.html
 
I would vote for this, intels newest, an 80 core cpu. :)
 
Say what you want about intel, they have a future, they are not stuck in place like the ppc is.
 
PPC fans, can you match an 80 core processor that will become available for
early adopters in 5 years from now? 12 years ago moving amiga to ppc was a good idea. Today, there is no future in ppc.
 
Steven


Intel's newest is 4 years old, and it was a research project.

An 80 core CPU is useless for the desktop.
 

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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2010, 06:11:34 PM »
my opinion, as an aros user, is amiga os should go x86.
does this mean that you have to rewrite it totally?
i think it's better eat 100 apples (100, not 1000 or 1000000 just 100) tomorrow than eating 1 apple today.
one day without eating doesn't kill anyone.
68k software compatibility? An emulator isn't enough? We're in 2010.
Just let die 80s software.
Let's imagine what sw could be created by passionate, motivate developers.
Let's imagine new worlds!
I'm a little hobbyist developer.
I write something for aros, something for windows, i like to do it.
How many of us would like to develop for aos? The majority of us.
As someone wrote, it's not the price, but what they give you for that price.
I understand that this market is little, very little.
But this market will always remain so little: prices are too high and products are not viable to common man. Let's see the truth: who buys an amiga (one) today? Only amiga lovers. Who is so insane to buy an old apple ppc to make work morphos? Only morphos lovers! Please forgive me if i'm rude and not polite in what i write, but i think morphos has a great potential and so aos4.
There'll be no "human sentient being from the planet earth" that'd buy such systems!
I recognize that without acube, aeon, hyperion and morphos team today we wouldn't talk about amiga!!
It's such their work, it's great work!
But let's look reality: Only if ppcs cpu, mboard and so on prices drop there'll be a greater market.
Why does this thing should be changed by selling x1000?
If even aeon would produce the phantomatic x500 (an underpowered version of x1000) at, let's say, half the price, be honest, would you like to buy an intel atom based machine for 1000 eur?
In all these years sam prices have halved? Why a new product should cost less if there's no profit by sellings? Research cost. It costs very much.
I think the only way is x86.
And I also know this will never be.
I'll repeat forever the same sentence: amiga was brute power at low prices.
Today amiga ones are low power at brute prices.
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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2010, 06:32:43 PM »
"Its a research project" - So was the pentium before it went into mass
production.
 
" An 80 core CPU is useless for the desktop. "
 
Spoken like a true visionary. Right now perhaps, but we're talking about  the future. In time, content creation on the desktop will use
all that horsepower AND MORE... 3d movies, ultra realistic 3d enviorments and animation. New types of virtual reality,completely realistic animation of people which will mean real actors no longer needed to create movies, and more.
 
Think about the incredible things created on a quad core. Who wouldn't want a computer with 80 cores instead of 4?
 
Useless for a desktop? Are you on drugs? Can I have some of them?
 
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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2010, 06:41:46 PM »
Why keep going towards old technology? It would be great to see something ground breaking on the Amiga front.
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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2010, 06:48:19 PM »
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As far as desktop CPUs?  Unless IBM is going to release new PPC cores, not happening.  Only thing Freescale is doing is repackaging the old cores.  IBM's cells are for consoles and not suited for desktops.  That leaves you basically with x86_64 or ARM as CPU choices that are in constant development.


And Power series? (power6, Power7 andfuture Power8)
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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2010, 07:01:38 PM »
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http://news.cnet.com/Intel-shows-off-80-core-processor/2100-1006_3-6158181.html
 
I would vote for this, intels newest, an 80 core cpu. :)
 
Say what you want about intel, they have a future, they are not stuck in place like the ppc is.
 
PPC fans, can you match an 80 core processor that will become available for
early adopters in 5 years from now? 12 years ago moving amiga to ppc was a good idea. Today, there is no future in ppc.
 
Steven


I see your 80 core and raise you another 945

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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2010, 07:03:25 PM »
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And Power series? (power6, Power7 andfuture Power8)


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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2010, 07:11:33 PM »
X86 makers:

-Intel
-Amd
-Via?


PowerPC makers

-IBM
-Freescale
-Amcc
-Toshiba
-Rapport inc
-Agnilux/google?


PowerPC wins
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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2010, 07:12:52 PM »
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Think about the incredible things created on a quad core. Who wouldn't want a computer with 80 cores instead of 4?


And look at how much of the time 3 of those 4 cores are sat idling away because the processes required by the user can't be done efficiently as anything other than serial operations? Answer: With few exceptions, quite a bit of the time. There are issues inherent in multi processing in that quite a few of our day to day tasks cannot be broken up easily in a multi-threaded manner.

BeOS solved them by forcing everything to be multi-threaded. It meant that things like unpacking a zip archive was slower under BeOS than it was under Win98/2k on the same hardware because of the overheads in trying to break up single threaded operations. OSX does ok but even it's solution is no magic bullet, Dragonfly BSD's proposed solution is to turn multi core chips effectively into a Beowulf cluster.  
 
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Useless for a desktop?


For the forseable future, yes. 80 cores has no place on the desktop. You'd be damned hard pressed to justify 8 outside of a server...
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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2010, 07:13:56 PM »
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X86 makers:

-Intel
-Amd
-Via?


PowerPC makers

-IBM
-Freescale
-Amcc
-Toshiba
-Agnilux/google?


PowerPC wins


You cannot possibly be this dumb.
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Re: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?
« Reply #74 from previous page: October 13, 2010, 07:20:12 PM »
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You cannot possibly be this dumb.


It was half-jokingly.  The problem with Amiga.org is that you can not embed images
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