Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga?

[Hammer]

MorphOS 3.0 on Apple PowerBook G4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V89YwHFoXyw

[dammy]

What about the ppc in PS3 ?

It's not a good desktop CPU, it's designed for consoles.  Then I do not think Toshiba (since they bought Sony's share of cell production) is selling it to anyone else but Sony.  So unless IBM is producing new cores to keep up with x86_64 multi cores, Freescale and others are going to keep repackaging the cores they have licenses for.  Freescale is pushing ARM for a reason. ;-)

[Hammer]

What about the ppc in PS3 ?

On normal linux apps, the CELL's PPE at 3.2Ghz was benchmarked to be around PowerPC 970 at 1.6Ghz. The PPE vs PowerPC 970 relationship is like Intel Atom vs Intel Core 2.

CELL's PPE is closer to Intel Atom i.e. in-order-processing and dual instruction issue per cycle design.

[kolla]

On normal linux apps, the CELL's PPE at 3.2Ghz was benchmarked to be around PowerPC 970 at 1.6Ghz.

Really? My experience was that the PS3 with Linux was alot slower for "normal linux apps" than my 1.33GHz G4 iBook, also when not using swap at all.

[Hammer]

Really? My experience was that the PS3 with Linux was alot slower for "normal linux apps" than my 1.33GHz G4 iBook, also when not using swap at all.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-125219.html

Lack of direct access to NVIDIA RSX and 256MB ram for PPE didn't help PS3's linux situation.

[kolla]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-125219.html

Lack of direct access to NVIDIA RSX and 256MB ram for PPE didn't help PS3's linux situation.

Yes, but I was not using any graphics, all in CLI through ssh, and I specifically ran without swap, all well within the 256MB of RAM - and even then it was alot slower than my iBook.

[Templario]

Amiga OS must runs in PPC but neither will be very bad that it runs on X86 but with PPC and 68k compatibility, well, AROS for example.

[dammy]

Amiga OS must runs in PPC but neither will be very bad that it runs on X86 but with PPC and 68k compatibility, well, AROS for example.

You lost me on this one.

[mongo]

It's not a good desktop CPU, it's designed for consoles.  Then I do not think Toshiba (since they bought Sony's share of cell production) is selling it to anyone else but Sony.  So unless IBM is producing new cores to keep up with x86_64 multi cores, Freescale and others are going to keep repackaging the cores they have licenses for.  Freescale is pushing ARM for a reason. ;-)

Freescale just recently released the brand new e5500 core.

Nobody is pushing ARM for anything other than mobile devices.

[inoel]

why cant they bass os5 or mos 3X for that matter on aros and add Proprietary software on
top? and have it run on x86 with ppc emu mybe

it may be that they just do not want to and i am cool with that!
I also may be way off the mark!

but i have allways wanted to ask this question

[Heiroglyph]

My comment about Amithlon was due to the fact that it had a transparent way to use 68k code at hyper speed for an immediate improvement, while also offering a way to use native x86 code.

Had this approach matured, we could have shifted towards the OS being x86 code similar to how OS4 and Morphos have shifted to PPC.

My biggest problem with Aros as it stands is lack of 68k software support.  As it is, Aros is pretty much like any Linux distribution minus stability, drivers and memory protection.  They both have UAE and the majority of Aros apps are on Linux too.

Seamless 68k integration could change my outlook dramatically, but I'm not sure what the status is beyond launching UAE when you click on an adf.

PPC is just an expensive dead-end and FPGAs can't get us to even current hand-held device speeds.

[pwermonger]

Pretty much, not the best of all worlds to be PPC since Apple, Motorola, IBM et al squandered their lead over x86. But its what we have and I dont see anyone wanting to do the work to port Amiga to x86. I cant see anyone believing theyd ever see a return on their invesement to do that.

[AndyLandy]

I think my answer here is "No, not now, not any more"

PPC would have been a perfectly viable 'future' for the Amiga 10-15 years ago. Nowadays the architecture has all but been abandoned for computers. I believe it still exists in embedded devices, but that's not what an Amiga is :-)

Given the choice of CPUs at the moment, much as I hate to say it, x86 seems to be the only real choice for a high-performance CPU.

Of course, the CPU isn't what makes the Amiga, it's the custom chipsets and ingenuity in the design. I don't care what CPU architecture it uses, so long as it's got some flair that makes it more than just a rebranded PC motherboard.

[dammy]

Freescale just recently released the brand new e5500 core.

From what I see, it's a follow on e500 core for embedded systems that Freescale has been talking about since 2004.  Not really applicable for desktop CPUs which we are discussing when comparing the multi core desktop beasts of Intel and AMD.

Nobody is pushing ARM for anything other than mobile devices.

Tell that to M$ and Google efforts for ARM based server farms.  The recently announced ARM-15 can be a winner in none mobile device CPU market as well as mobile.

[dammy]

Of course, the CPU isn't what makes the Amiga, it's the custom chipsets and ingenuity in the design. I don't care what CPU architecture it uses, so long as it's got some flair that makes it more than just a rebranded PC motherboard.

With the computer case closed and out of sight, how can you tell the difference?  It's the user's experience that counts.

[Heiroglyph]

I dont see anyone wanting to do the work to port Amiga to x86. I cant see anyone believing theyd ever see a return on their invesement to do that.

Aros is doing a pretty good job of that, but I agree there is no money in it.

It would have to be a labor of love, that's for sure.