Excitement about NatAmi

[Franko]

The NatAmi is obviously for people that want a physical machine that is hardware compatible with their old kit, whilst simultaneously being a bit faster and more capable. I see no problem with that.

Thems the words I've been looking for, sums it all up perfectly for me...

(wish I'd thought of them first... )

[smerf]

Hi,

@Karlos,

Dind't konw yuo had to be an excnellnt sepller to be on Amgia.org. So I am not taht good of a sepeller.

smerf

[smerf]

Hi,

@Franko,

Ok, I see the point that Karlos is trying to make, I guess it is better to have something a little more updated than nothing at all. The old silicon is getting a little chipper here lately and new stuff is needed. Hopefully it won't be that expensive.

smerf

[dammy]

Hi,

I am really excited about the Natami, (yawn). How about upgrading the processor to something a small bit newer like a AMD 6 core cpu (1090t, 1055t or the 1075t) , why are we futzin around with something Motorolla gave up on a long time ago. I know why Amiga people aren't happy unless it is out of date junk that they can spend lots of money on upgrading for bragging rights.

Even apple had more common sense than to stick with a dead cpu.

Will someone please explain to me why?

I seem to be a little nieve in this area.

smerf

There is AROS for x86.  Problem with AROS it's stuck in the 3.1 API crypt and there is no chance of seeing SMP with 3.1.  To make AROS SMP, it's going to take a new kernel (no small feat in by itself) and break the API which will break just about all known apps.  Doable but your talking a major man power project that will need full time devs and there isn't any money for that type of expense.  

I would highly doubt had C= survived we would be even talking about 3.1, they had no such loyalty to old stuff as their move AGA proved.

[commodorejohn]

I am really excited about the Natami, (yawn). How about upgrading the processor to something a small bit newer like a AMD 6 core cpu (1090t, 1055t or the 1075t) , why are we futzin around with something Motorolla gave up on a long time ago. I know why Amiga people aren't happy unless it is out of date junk that they can spend lots of money on upgrading for bragging rights.

Uh, maybe because that's the architecture that 90% of Amiga software runs natively on? Or that it's a perfect pleasure to program on when it comes to assembler, as compared to x86's "we'll just keep making our four registers even bigger!" approach? Or that every other damn thing is Intel these days except for small-scale ARM devices and PPC game consoles, and a little freakin' variety would be a nice change of pace?

As for the upgrading-for-bragging-rights thing, I have no interest in that, which is exactly why I'm looking forward to NatAmi - it's the best chance I have to get a more semi-modern Amiga-compatible system without having to shell out a couple grand for a 4000, video card, and PPC board :|

[Louis Dias]

There is AROS for x86.  Problem with AROS it's stuck in the 3.1 API crypt and there is no chance of seeing SMP with 3.1.  To make AROS SMP, it's going to take a new kernel (no small feat in by itself) and break the API which will break just about all known apps.  Doable but your talking a major man power project that will need full time devs and there isn't any money for that type of expense.  

I would highly doubt had C= survived we would be even talking about 3.1, they had no such loyalty to old stuff as their move AGA proved.

Hmmm...  I don't see the point of adding SMP to AROS until it has actually achieved that real version 1.0.  It's sort of learning to run before you can walk.
I know you left the scene for such reasons but at the same time AROS has developed enhancements for 3.1 that didn't exist before.  That is good but the 68K platform has always been the anchor that sorta held it back.

Once AROS 1.0 is "done"...then perhaps AROS 2.0 will take the platform to new heights.
Already Hyperions is working on adding multi-core support to OS4...why would AROS development stop at v1.0?

To me, the problem has been that the best that was available for 68K systems has been 3.X...and truly those systems running 3.X couldn't really handle the grunt work that people demand when wanting modern features from a classic Amiga.

The NATAMI, to me, is the hardware that will allow 3.X(or AROS) to evolve to a higher standard...into MOS/OS4.X-land, if you will.  Let's face it, of all the hardware AROS runs on, 68K platforms are the bottom of the barrel.  Elavating the 68K platform allows 3.X and AROS to also evolve from the base of the 3.1 featureset.

If Natami is accepted as "newer" and "more modern" hardware, then 3.X and AROS can continue to move forward.

In 2 years as fpga prices drop, perhaps the next Natami will have DDR3, PCIe, USB3.0, etc...  But atleast there is a way forward now rather then the frankenstein methods of upgrading the classic hardware WE have now.

Let me add that with the Kickstart replacement bounties recent progress that we are closer to that 1.0 than ever before.  The future is bright.

[Kesa]

This is a box. This box has 4 sides. This box also has 4 corners. In this box is nothing. This nothing includes what i am writing right now.

[Miked]

Perhaps you should go to the actual Natami forum for an update rather than make a baseless remark?

Lou, I have been on the Natami website (many times in fact).  How is my comment baseless?  I am still optimistic about the release of Natami, but wish it was completed.  Did you find my remark negative in some way?  

I would think that many people feel somewhat similiar to my feelings.  I would love to own a Natami system.

[Marcb]

Did you know I am indirectly responsible for Michael Hutchence takin his own life... True story!

Even weirder is that it is indirectly Amiga related!

Okay, I've been waiting for someone else to bite but it aint gonna happen:laughing:

Please expand on this?

[jj]

Already Hyperions is working on adding multi-core support to OS4...

 
Are they ? Have you got a source for this ?

[guest7146]

My only criticism of the NatAmi project is that it seems to suffering from feature creep.

In my experience, "feature creep" is the inevitable result of a perfectionist at work.  This is a very positive attitude to have of course, and one that I share, but if I put my rational cap on then I think you're right - sometimes you just need to get something out there, and then work on the improvements for a later revision.

But you just try convincing a perfectionist of that

AH.

[Louis Dias]

Already Hyperions is working on adding multi-core support to OS4...QUOTE]
 
 
Are they ?  Have you got a source for this ?

Did you not here of an event called Amiwest?

[Louis Dias]

Lou, I have been on the Natami website (many times in fact).  How is my comment baseless?  I am still optimistic about the release of Natami, but wish it was completed.  Did you find my remark negative in some way?  

I would think that many people feel somewhat similiar to my feelings.  I would love to own a Natami system.

Well, it's not like it wouldn't have been released by now if the LX was perfect.  In your absence, the LX board was completed but they found some issues and added a couple more features.  I like the perfectionist attitude they are taking to not release something today that could have been done better with just a bit more effort.

[dammy]

Hmmm...  I don't see the point of adding SMP to AROS until it has actually achieved that real version 1.0.

For AROS68K, I completely and fully agree with you.  3.1 should be a priority to be completed.  

But for AROS x86/ARM, what good is this going to do?  Original concept was for AOS code to do a simple recompile to AROS x86 but that was 15 years ago when AOS apps/games were still relevent.  Fast forward it today, tell me what apps/games that have AOS source code available that is so critical for AROS x86/ARM future that it has to be native and not run in seemless emulation?  I think it was about 2002 or so when Adam put together the current road map.  Lot has changed since then in Amiga land not to mention what technology evolution has taken hold.

If anything, Linuxland is where the code for ports is coming from, not 15-20 year AOS old code that is either lost or will never be released for free.  Again, AROS68K, needs 1.0, but x86/ARM versions need to evolve their APIs to match the modern world of high performance multi core CPUs.

[jj]

Did you not here of an event called Amiwest?

 
No! what's that ? Some sort of rodeo ?

[arnljot]

Did you not here of an event called Amiwest?

It was also commented on aw.net before amiwest. The message was "yes the x1000 is multicore, no OS4.x won't be till release, but it will come later".

It's no big secret, what is a big secret however is when it'll be released. It's classified at the highest level: "When it's ready".

I guess only wikileaks really knows.