Public Release of MorphOS 2.6 & Introduction of PowerMac Support

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ferells

Why have you polluted this thread with nonsense information? "limping around on a radeon 9000" "Try and find a MOS browser that is modern"

umm.. Morphos drivers and radeon 9000 is waaay faster than my Nvidia gforce 7900 agp on my windows box running linux or windows...

OWB is a very nice compatible browser that supports most websites...

You can pick up a used g4 powermac and buy morphos license for $350... that is the cheapest and fastest amiga os type solution in the world!

So stop talking crap because you clearly havent thought things through or are misinoformed

[ferrellsl]

"Amiga enthusiasts are simply being price gouged because of their fanatical love of Amiga, plain and simple. "

I believe this. So to recap in me expierience the best values out there are:

A) Amiga forever (legal dist of os3.1) or AROS or UAE
B) Morphos
C) Amiga os4

for anyone reading this who may be new to Amiga or has been away a long time. I recommend getting Amiga Forever. You will support a developer and get legal version of OS3.1 in a nice package.

I have owned A500, cdtv, cd32, 1000, 2000, 2500, 3000, 3000t, 4000d, 4000t, and minimig.

Get yourself a Pentium 4 that some folks give away and you'll be happy painlessly emulating all the above worry free for practically nothing.

At the end of the day Mophos and Amiga OS4 provide you with LESS of a computing experience you can get for free.

That bein said I am an Amiga fanatic and if supoorting Morphos helps support a platform, it's my cash and I'll spend it on this stuff.

I guess that's why Amiga stuff goes for insane amounts on eaby and why Amiga anything is expensive. For many of us thi has become a step above a vice such as drinking, gambling or recreational drugs. Keeps us away from the wifey and outta trouble.

We're in agreement.  But I think Minimig, Natami, and the fpgaarcade should be sandwiched in there between A and B.

[ferrellsl]

ferells

Why have you polluted this thread with nonsense information? "limping around on a radeon 9000" "Try and find a MOS browser that is modern"

umm.. Morphos drivers and radeon 9000 is waaay faster than my Nvidia gforce 7900 agp on my windows box running linux or windows...

OWB is a very nice compatible browser that supports most websites...

You can pick up a used g4 powermac and buy morphos license for $350... that is the cheapest and fastest amiga os type solution in the world!

So stop talking crap because you clearly havent thought things through or are misinoformed

Yes, my PegII limps around on an ATI 9250.  You're welcome to come see it if you'd like.  And YOU'RE sadly misinformed if you think that either the Nvidia 7900 or an ATI 9250 represent modern computing.  The benchmarks and tech specs prove it.  Maybe 5 years ago!

Why would I spend  approx. $600 USD for a computer that can't even surf the web properly right out of the box?  If I'm looking for a toy, yeah, maybe.

[Karlos]

And YOU'RE sadly misinformed if you think that either the Nvidia 7900 or an ATI 9250 represent modern computing.

They've certainly moved on a lot since then. Even my GTX275 (linux runs fine on) is distinctly old news now.

[ferrellsl]

Thanks Karlos. I have a GTX 295 in my Windows tower and even it is a couple generations behind and a new GTX 480 runs rings around it.  Nice to see that there are a few people on this forum who still keep up with PC hardware specs and don't go thru life wearing Amiga or MOS blinders (or goggles)......It's really annoying when one of them gets on here and trys to convince me that his Amiga or MOS video card with 64MB of RAM (which is just one step above a dumb framebuffer) can compete with anything currently on the graphics market.

[Karlos]

Are you sure you don't confuse OS4 with MorphOS too much here?

Bit of a low blow. Would this be the same OS4 I used MPlayer to watch media on the "most crippled hardware ever" (A1 XE) via my network when my PC's display card died?

It may not have been H264, but according to most people, this feat ought to be completely impossible since OS4 is so epically slow and the hardware so completely broken.

[Karlos]

Thanks Karlos. I have a GTX 295 in my Windows tower and even it is a couple generations behind and a new GTX 480 runs rings around it.  Nice to see that there are a few people on this forum who still keep up with PC hardware specs and don't go thru life wearing Amiga or MOS blinders......It's really annoying when one of them gets on here and trys to convince me that his Amiga or MOS video card with 64MB of RAM (which is just one step above a dumb framebuffer) can compete with anything currently on the graphics market.

I'm sorely tempted to get a 480 as I got a bit hooked with CUDA on the 275. With the full speed double precision, increased cache and full IEEE 754 support, it looks a real computational powerhouse

[ferrellsl]

I'm sorely tempted to get a 480 as I got a bit hooked with CUDA on the 275. With the full speed double precision, increased cache and full IEEE 754 support, it looks a real computational powerhouse

Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' about!

Wouldn't it be cool if Nvidia developed a multi-core CPU based on their GPU technology and then wrote their own OS for it?  That would be MY dream Amiga!

[itix]

And MOS fan-boys telling me that I can do ANYTHING with MOS that I can do in Windows or Linux......not hardly  They may not come right out and say such things on the developer web sites, but the devs of both MOS and OS4 appear on here and other forums regularly and  make comments that at best can be viewed as misleading and at worst, false advertising.  I'm tired of being scammed.  Don't like to see it happen to others.

Any examples?

[Piru]

the devs of both MOS and OS4 appear on here and other forums regularly and make comments that at best can be viewed as misleading and at worst, false advertising.

It'd be interested to hear where MorphOS developers have posted misleading information or false advertising. Care to elaborate?

[ferrellsl]

I'm sure I can find some specific ones, but just look back on all the X1000 pre-release hype.  What a let-down once the real specs were made public in the forums.  The X1000 devs wanted to whip up as much enthusiam and excitement as possible and intentionally misled people by making statements about how powerful the X1000 co-processor would be.  Turns out it probably won't even be used at all and it isn't useful for desktop computing anyway.  It was just a marketing gimmick to get old school Amiga enthusiasts excited.....ala the original Amigas which used co-processors for sound and video.  And of course there are plenty of MOS fans in this thread trying to convince me that MOS is just fine for office use......sadly, it isn't.  I cannot import/export MS Office files or OpenOffice files.  As for browsers, many of the web sites I need are protected using SmartCard technology and use custom java and javascript apps written for the military.  Not to mention the web sites that use Flash 9 or greater.  Before I bought my PegII and MOS back in 2007 I lurked in the forums and read as much as I could about MOS and the positive comments outnumbered the negatives in regard to just about everything.   Several people metnioned that I should be patient and that office apps would surely arrive.  It's 3 years later and I'm still waiting.  And I'm willing to bet that in 3 more years, I'll still be waiting for decent office software.  And I'm not even talking anything as huge as OpenOffice.  What about AbiWord and GnuCalc for starters?  I'm not going to use classic Amiga software developed in 1990s on my PegII and be satisified when I've paid 2007 retail prices for the OS.

[Piru]

I'm sure I can find some specific ones

Please do. Because any of

but just look back on all the X1000 pre-release hype.  What a let-down once the real specs were made public in the forums.  The X1000 devs wanted to whip up as much enthusiam and excitement as possible and intentionally misled people by making statements about how powerful the X1000 co-processor would be.  Turns out it probably won't even be used at all and it isn't useful for desktop computing anyway.  It was just a marketing gimmick to get old school Amiga enthusiasts excited.....ala the original Amigas which used co-processors for sound and video.  And of course there are plenty of MOS fans in this thread trying to convince me that MOS is just fine for office use......sadly, it isn't.  I cannot import/export MS Office files or OpenOffice files.  As for browsers, many of the web sites I need are protected using SmartCard technology and use custom java and javascript apps written for the military.  Not to mention the web sites that use Flash 9 or greater.  Before I bought my PegII and MOS back in 2007 I lurked in the forums and read as much as I could about MOS and the positive comments outnumbered the negatives in regard to just about everything.   Several people metnioned that I should be patient and that office apps would surely arrive.  It's 3 years later and I'm still waiting.  And I'm willing to bet that in 3 more years, I'll still be waiting for decent office software.  And I'm not even talking anything as huge as OpenOffice.  What about AbiWord and GnuCalc for starters?  I'm not going to use classic Amiga software developed in 1990s on my PegII and be satisified when I've paid 2007 retail prices for the OS.

...doesn't involve MorphOS developers.

Your statement was quite specific.

I feel that we MorphOS developers have always been honest about MorphOS, what it does and what it cannot do. We know the shortcomings and we understand that is isn't the right OS for everyone. This is one of the major reasons that there's a "free demo" version of the OS available. You just need to find a friend colleague with a compatible computer (much easier now with the Mac support) and give it a try.

[ferrellsl]

It'd be interested to hear where MorphOS developers have posted misleading information or false advertising. Care to elaborate?

I'm not talking about the official MOS dev team.  I'm talking about some members of the fan base who can be "over enthusiastic" about MOS and its uses and some who write their own MOS apps.  Don't get me wrong.  I REALLY like MOS, even better than I like OS4, but I simply can't continue to support it with my cash when it doesn't offer me any way to recoup my investment.  Perhaps that's my mistake for assuming that it was more than a hobby OS.

And the official MOS dev team has been nothing but helpful.....my apologies if I've upset anyone.

[Piru]

I simply can't continue to support it with my cash when it doesn't offer me any way to recoup my investment.  Perhaps that's my mistake for assuming that it was more than a hobby OS.

I can understand that.

I'm tired of being scammed. Don't like to see it happen to others.

What I can't understand is that you these days seem to have a mission to shoot down anything MorphOS related, regardless of the merits. I am fairly sure that people here are mature enough to make up their own mind about things.

Constructive criticism and feedback is always welcome of course. Calling it a scam is IMHO unfounded and plain rude.

[ferrellsl]

You are quite correct to be upset with my scam statement.  My ire wasn't direct at the MOS dev team or you, but at folks in this forum who go out of their way to argue points that simply aren't true.  Like the guy earlier in this thread who was trying to get me to believe that an ATI 9250 is even close to modern GPU performance.  I'll try to be clearer the next time that I'm being rude.

[itix]

:-)