Public Release of MorphOS 2.6 & Introduction of PowerMac Support

[Golem!dk]

my PegII will continue to be an expensive boat anchor taking up space in my basement.

So when did you last use it?

[ferrellsl]

So when did you last use it?

Around December 2008.

[takemehomegrandma]

MOS has to have an office suite for work, a decent browser for the web, and a decent media player for recreation to be successful.

As said before, MorphOS has everything you mentioned except perhaps the Office Suite (if you would need to use an office pack on MorphOS you would have to use Google Apps or Microsoft Office Web Apps (haven't tried that on MorphOS yet myself)).

Frankly, I don't see how an office suite would bring hordes of new users to MorphOS anyway. Fundamentals in *miga design prevents any *miga OS from becoming a serious competitor on the desktop market. An office suite wouldn't change that.

It's here for the enthusiasts, which is fine by me!

[Golem!dk]

Around December 2008.

Ok, that explains your comments, a bit out of touch.

[nicholas]

Around December 2008.

Say no more.

[ferrellsl]

@ Golem!DK nicholas and TakeMeHomeGrandma

I'm not out of touch at all.  You asked me when I last "USED" MOS.  That implies real work.  I last TRIED to use it for real work back in Dec 2008.  It wasswitched on last about 2 months ago.  I follow Amiga and MOS development daily.  Just 2 months ago I tried installing the latest OWB and Netsurf on it.  Installing and configuring both was a nightmare and they're still filled with bugs and crash regularly.  I don'k like spending hours troubleshooting buggy software.  My time is worth more to me than that.  Not my idea of fun, so my PegII was switched off again until I see something WORTHWHILE to install on it again.

And you recommend using Google Docs as an app, please, that's pretty insulting.  I'd rather use Windows notepad and a legal pad for calculations. And I never said hordes would run out and buy MOS.  That will NEVER happen, especially since non-Amigans can't and won't be convinced that MOS is anything other than a toy for geeks.  Before non-Amigans will buy it, they have to be convinced that it will do something useful, not just for surfing the web and playing an MP3 or a DVD.  There are much better products out there for that and they're much more cost effective and easy to use than MOS.  If you like throwing money away on antique hardware, and an overpriced and under supported OS, then sure, buy MOS or OS4.  But don't fall into the trap that you're going to generate Documents, Presentations, or manage a business on either OS.  Of course the Hyperion/A-Eon and MOS fan boys will argue with me.  But if they're so right, why isn't the OS4 and MOS market really growing?  Sure, MOS will gain a few more sales because of recent Mac support, but no businessman in his right mind is going to sink good money into an obsolete Mac that even Apple doesn't support any longer.

[Fab]

@ Golem!DK nicholas and TakeMeHomeGrandma

I'm not out of touch at all.  You asked me when I last "USED" MOS.  That implies real work.  I last TRIED to use it for real work back in Dec 2008.  It wasswitched on last about 2 months ago.  I follow Amiga and MOS development daily.  Just 2 months ago I tried installing the latest OWB and Netsurf on it.  Installing and configuring both was a nightmare and they're still filled with bugs and crash regularly.  I don'k like spending hours troubleshooting buggy software.  My time is worth more to me than that.  Not my idea of fun, so my PegII was switched off again until I see something WORTHWHILE to install on it again.

Well, unless you really booted OS4 instead of MorphOS, it's just bullshit. First OWB doesn't even have to be installed since it's supplied with the OS, and besides, installing it is a matter of copying it wherever you like. It's also certainly not that crash-prone either. And i'm quite certain you didn't try it anyway, since you said earlier there was no download manager, flaky css, no plugin, which is totally wrong (some of these are there since the very first 1.0 release).

[ferrellsl]

Doubt all you want.  The lastest OWB for OS4 stalled about 6 months ago and that's where it's likely to stay.  It caused nothing but problems on my PegII.  I tried installing MOS OWB 1.6 on my PegII, same story.  Next tried Netsurf.....even worse disaster.  Too much trouble and too little offered for me to keep wasting my time with any of them.  Maybe if Timberwolf ever gets released I'll switch the damn thing back and give it a go, but I doubt it.  It's easier and less time consuming to just turn on one of my PCs and know that it will work.  I'm tired of fighting the losing battle of "Amiga NG".  And I'm just talking about problems with browsers......if any office suites ever get developed, which is highly doubtful, I can only wonder what nightmares will accompany them.

BTW, my PegII is dual booting OS4 and MOS....

[itix]

Doubt all you want.  The lastest OWB for OS4 stalled about 6 months ago and that's where it's likely to stay.  It caused nothing but problems on my PegII.  I tried installing MOS OWB 1.6 on my PegII, same story.

MorphOS 2.5 (released in June, that is four months ago) came with OWB 1.8. If you updated your system to MorphOS 2.5 you wouldnt have to install OWB updates on your own. If you installed MorphOS 2.6 to your system you would get OWB 1.10 with it.

Admittely it takes some time to download few tens of megabytes and press install button.

Next tried Netsurf.....even worse disaster.  Too much trouble and too little offered for me to keep wasting my time with any of them.

Humm.. there havent been Netsurf update since 2009.

Maybe if Timberwolf ever gets released I'll switch the damn thing back and give it a go, but I doubt it.

What is Timberwolf? Oh, wait, you are talking about OS4 here. Giving feedback is always good but it is confusing when you are mixing apples and oranges...

[Crom00]

Comparison of Morphos to Apple mac OSX...
Morphos is hobbyist specialty OS.
Mac is mass market desktop computer...

Of course Apple can afford to Charge $30 for Snow Leopard, they make so much on all the other products.

Morphos is one step above shareware and developers should get paid for their work. Would  you all rather purchase X1000's, expsinve lower speed sams, How about or for $150 + 50 MDD PowerMAc that can run 3.1 Amiga apps and classic game apps...and MAc OSX if you're so inclined..

Lemme guess  you all would  rather try to source a $250 Blizzzard 030 with 16 megs ram?

So at this point anything positive is shot down...

Would you be happy with a $50 100Ghz PC with 100 TB system ram, Holographic display, 10 TB of storage with AI processors...about  the size of an iphone?

[ferrellsl]

I'm still at MOS 2.4.  I will try to upgrade to 2.6 before trying any new browser installs although I'm not seeing anything compelling that makes me want to.

As for MOS being one step above shareware, I agree except that we're charged a retail price for it. Same can be said for OS4.  Both should be priced one step above shareware.  And for OS4 to have such poor USB and printing support at such a high price is criminal.  Regardless of where Amiga came from in the past, people today have certain expectations about what an OS will do.  And both MOS and OS4 are sorely lacking in many areas for users to pay retail prices.  And I've heard all the arguments about economics and economies of scale......tell that to the Linux community, the MenuetOS community, Haiku, etc.  They all have better support and performance and don't cost a dime.  Amiga enthusiasts are simply being price gouged because of their fanatical love of Amiga, plain and simple.

[nicholas]

non-Amigans can't and won't be convinced that MOS is anything other than a toy for geeks..

But that is EXACTLY what it is.  If you believe otherwise then more power to you but it is just a toy for big boys to play with.

[Fab]

Doubt all you want.  The lastest OWB for OS4 stalled about 6 months ago and that's where it's likely to stay.  It caused nothing but problems on my PegII.  I tried installing MOS OWB 1.6 on my PegII, same story.  Next tried Netsurf.....even worse disaster.  Too much trouble and too little offered for me to keep wasting my time with any of them.

My guess is you were mainly an OS4 user, and you only rarely booted in MorphOS, assuming the level of these applications was the same. That's why you didn't even notice there was a download manager, plugins, adblockers, configure mimetypes, ... (i could add quite many there). I also won't comment about the "nothing but problems" part, because that's clearly not the general experience.

Anyway, no need to discuss further. It's clear these platforms don't suit you anymore and that you don't have much interest in them anymore, but please avoid commenting about the so-called deficiencies of software you obviously didn't even try, though.

[Crom00]

"Amiga enthusiasts are simply being price gouged because of their fanatical love of Amiga, plain and simple. "

I believe this. So to recap in me expierience the best values out there are:

A) Amiga forever (legal dist of os3.1) or AROS or UAE
B) Morphos
C) Amiga os4

for anyone reading this who may be new to Amiga or has been away a long time. I recommend getting Amiga Forever. You will support a developer and get legal version of OS3.1 in a nice package.

I have owned A500, cdtv, cd32, 1000, 2000, 2500, 3000, 3000t, 4000d, 4000t, and minimig.

Get yourself a Pentium 4 that some folks give away and you'll be happy painlessly emulating all the above worry free for practically nothing.

At the end of the day Mophos and Amiga OS4 provide you with LESS of a computing experience you can get for free.

That bein said I am an Amiga fanatic and if supoorting Morphos helps support a platform, it's my cash and I'll spend it on this stuff.

I guess that's why Amiga stuff goes for insane amounts on eaby and why Amiga anything is expensive. For many of us thi has become a step above a vice such as drinking, gambling or recreational drugs. Keeps us away from the wifey and outta trouble.

[ferrellsl]

But that is EXACTLY what it is.  If you believe otherwise then more power to you but it is just a toy for big boys to play with.

I agree with you and what I have been trying to point out is that both OS4 and MOS are being portrayed differently on this and other forums.  They're being pushed as a high tech alternative OSs and they aren't.  And that's especially true now that the X1000 is being developed.  Nothing but hype about a co-processor (ala classic Amiga style) and how powerful the X1000 CPU is.  The tech specs of the X1000 tell the real story.  And MOS fan-boys telling me that I can do ANYTHING with MOS that I can do in Windows or Linux......not hardly  They may not come right out and say such things on the developer web sites, but the devs of both MOS and OS4 appear on here and other forums regularly and  make comments that at best can be viewed as misleading and at worst, false advertising.  I'm tired of being scammed.  Don't like to see it happen to others.

[magnetic]

ferells

Why have you polluted this thread with nonsense information? "limping around on a radeon 9000" "Try and find a MOS browser that is modern"

umm.. Morphos drivers and radeon 9000 is waaay faster than my Nvidia gforce 7900 agp on my windows box running linux or windows...

OWB is a very nice compatible browser that supports most websites...

You can pick up a used g4 powermac and buy morphos license for $350... that is the cheapest and fastest amiga os type solution in the world!

So stop talking crap because you clearly havent thought things through or are misinoformed