Internet Download/Upload Speeds...

[Piru]

Piru, I don't know what your problem is

My problem here was that you ignored a perfectly fine explanation and kept asking the same question again.

short snappy comments

This is my style. If you don't like it, tough.

[Franko]

While I may not agree with some of your views & opinions on certain things, you do however on occasion post some very interesting facts, figures and advice that I find most useful.

However as short as the thread may be, I had begun to ask if someone could explain why it is that you can't use the upload bandwidth as much as the download bandwidth, in the hope of a more technical explanation.

Now if your not happy with me asking such questions even when others are quite happy to reply, then I'm not going to take the same childish route you have with your 'tough' reply, I shall simply have to put you on my ignore list, which would be a shame really, as I have said you do have some quite interesting things to say.

[Zac67]

Have u bothered to read the article Piru's pointed out? It explains everything just perfectly. Piru's style may be slightly irritating to some but he does have a point. Always.

[Karlos]

Lets see:

Downstream: 18383 Kbps
Upstream: 1023 Kbps

My, how the other half lives

My paltry 2Mb connection is the limit of the copper between my flat and the exchange (which I am about as far away from as you can get before you are closer to a different one).

I would have thought that if your not using it for a download then surely that speed/bandwith could be used for uploading instead...

You are thinking of your connection as a data path to the intertubes that only you are using. That's not how packet switching networks operate. As soon as your traffic hits the network, it's threaded into a vast multiplexed stream of other data zipping back and forth for other users too. Basically, whenever you aren't using your ISP's bandwidth to receive data, it's being given out to someone else that is. Most UK ISPs try to cram as many customers as they can on their main pipes, since they pay a lot for them and only bulk traffic makes a profit. They aren't going to hold onto precious bandwidth for you to upload data unless you pay a premium for it.

[Piru]

why it is that you can't use the upload bandwidth as much as the download bandwidth

There are certain frequency areas reserved for upstream and downstream. Since most traffic in residential network connections is downstream the specifications have been crafted so that the limited bandwidth is mostly reserved for download. That's the reason it's called ADSL (Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line).

This is pretty much what everyone has been saying in this thread as far as I can tell. Not enough details? Read the wikipedia article I linked.

Now if your not happy with me asking such questions even when others are quite happy to reply

Had you read the link I provided you'd know the answer to your question.

[Franko]

Have u bothered to read the article Piru's pointed out? It explains everything just perfectly. Piru's style may be slightly irritating to some but he does have a point. Always.

Yes I have read it and found it quite interesting, as I have already said some of Pirus's post can be very informative & useful, but he doesn't have to be so snappy along with it or retort with a like it or lump it attitude.

[Franko]

There are certain frequency areas reserved for upstream and downstream. Since most traffic in residential network connections is downstream the specifications have been crafted so that the limited bandwidth is mostly reserved for download. That's the reason it's called ADSL (Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line).


Had you read the link I provided you'd know the answer to your question.

@Piru

As I said I had read the link, but being new to the internet it's a bit much to comprehend all that info at once. The answer you have given here clearly explains now to me the reasons for this limitation in bandwidth usage.

Thats what I mean by you giving some very useful and informative advice to others, you are obviously good at it, just wish you had a wee bit more patience at times in particular with those of us who aren't as well informed as yourself. Thank you for answering my question for me...

[Karlos]

Yes I have read it and found it quite interesting, as I have already said some of Pirus's post can be very informative & useful, but he doesn't have to be so snappy along with it or retort with a like it or lump it attitude.

Don't get your knickers in a twist.

For what it's worth, the above posts were positively verbose for Piru. His briefest and most directly to the point answer to a question is an amiga.org legend, standing at 1 character

[Piru]

My, how the other half lives

My paltry 2Mb connection is the limit of the copper between my flat and the exchange (which I am about as far away from as you can get before you are closer to a different one).

Funnily my connection is rather poor in local terms. They're selling 200/10 M, 110/5 M and 40/2 M connections these days (prices are 55eur, 45eur and 36eur per month respectively).

Unfortunately I'm tied to my 2 year contract. Grrr :madashell:

[kolla]

I only have 2Mbit, but at least it is 2Mbit both up and down :p

The biggest issue with ADSL is when the ammount of ACK messages going upstream fills up the pipe, so you get lousy download speed as well. This typically happens in filesharing scenarious where there's a large number of peers to send ACKs to all the time, or when you have multiple machines online at once, each generating lots of outbound traffic in terms of requests and ACKs.

[Franko]

Well from both Karlos & Piru, I now have a much clearer understanding of how the internet/bandwidths  actually work. Having spent much of today googling it and contacting Sky about it, I now have two folk who have explained in a short period of time, who have actually taken the time & bothered to explain in terms a newbie like myself can understand, thank you both...

[skilgannon]

Franko - you're in Livingston I see.  I work for THUS (we own Demon).  I'm pretty sure we've unbundled Livingston exchanges so we may have ADSL2+ in your area (up to 16mb down and 2mb Assured rate up).  Might be worth looking into?  I know you got a good deal with Sky but if you need more maybe you just bite the bullet and see if it's available?  If we've unbundled the exchange that you're on you would be on a THUS / C&W DSLAM with very little or no contention.  

Also - if you don't want to go down that route - the one thing that might be able to speed your connection up is an iPlate.  Ideal for folk (like me) who are at the end of the copper from the exchange.  Upped my DL from 2mb to 3.8mb and my UL from 325 to 768kb.  It's dependant on the phone socket you have but very much worth a look given it's only just over a fiver.  Since I put mine in - I've had months at a time of stability instead of the days I used to get.  http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDetail.asp?ProductID=7256

Cheers

John

[Franko]

Franko - you're in Livingston I see.  I work for THUS (we own Demon).  I'm pretty sure we've unbundled Livingston exchanges so we may have ADSL2+ in your area (up to 16mb down and 2mb Assured rate up).  Might be worth looking into?  I know you got a good deal with Sky but if you need more maybe you just bite the bullet and see if it's available?  If we've unbundled the exchange that you're on you would be on a THUS / C&W DSLAM with very little or no contention.  

Also - if you don't want to go down that route - the one thing that might be able to speed your connection up is an iPlate.  Ideal for folk (like me) who are at the end of the copper from the exchange.  Upped my DL from 2mb to 3.8mb and my UL from 325 to 768kb.  It's dependant on the phone socket you have but very much worth a look given it's only just over a fiver.  Since I put mine in - I've had months at a time of stability instead of the days I used to get.  http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDetail.asp?ProductID=7256

Cheers

John

Cheers for that John, had a look at that site just now and it looks like I'll be able to use it on mine. For less than six quid it's worth having a go at anyway. I too am at the furthest point from the exchange and Sky's original tests showed I should only be get 1.5mbps instead of the 2.6mbps that I am actually achieving.

It looks well worth trying it anyway even if I can get only a slight upload speed increase, it's gota be worth six quid...

Cheers :drink:

Franko

[giZmo350]

Whew! That was close! DISASTER AVERTED! :-)

[Franko]

Here's a youtube video that shows & explains how simple it is to install the Iplate John mentioned...

[youtube]JbHbOJIsTPw[/youtube]

@Gizmo350

What on earth is that, that's just about to go pop !!!

[giZmo350]

@Gizmo350

What on earth is that, that's just about to go pop !!!

Just as It seemed this thread was headed... Kudos for grown ups!

(was just a little humor....)

BTW, Franko... I liked your other avater alot better!!!