Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?

[Franko]

@Ajlwalker

I still remember the thread Dennis van Weeren announced his minimig in.  Full of disbelievers and downright rude individuals and neg-heads.

If you're interested franko the link is here: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=19361

Thanks for pointing that thread out to me, most interesting that certain folk who were posting positive views back then, are now contradicting themselves here & now by saying it can't be done anymore as this is no longer the 80s, it's the old glass half empty mentality rearing it's ugly head once again.

@Methuselas

I'm sorry, but the "2 grand" you would have spent on a machine now, is *VASTLY* superior to "what you had when you purchased your very first A1000 or C64".

This is the *ENTIRE* problem with the Amiga Scene now. You're trapped in this fantasy world that someone, some tiny, obscure company consisting of less than a dozen employees is going to create the "new" Amiga that will take over the world, when IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN! Eventually all our miggies won't be able to cut it when it comes to "computing". Facts of live. The Amiga is getting left behind in the dust and people, like yourself, like Hyperion, who insist that going against the "modern computing" direction is the right one, are the reason Amiga users are ridiculed and considered "fanatics".

Dunno what your havering about, I never mentioned anything about looking for a vastly superior machine. I have already said elsewhere on this forum that I don't expect anyone ever to release a new Amiga that would rival the power of todays modern systems. As for your incredibly stupid comment that 'all our miggies wont be able to cut it when it comes to computing', what a load of utter gobshite you speak.

I have said before and I'll say it again for someone like you who obviously can't understand simple english, I am more than happy to use the Amiga for ALL my computing needs and will continue to do so, for as long as I have the money to keep them going and am able to buy parts/replacements to do me the rest of my lifetime, understand now, numpty... :rolleyes:

PS: Apart from the spelling mistake in your 'Facts of live' ! bit, if you believe that what you say is a 'Fact of life', then you a total dunderheid as well... :biglaugh:

@dammy

Two grand, for a desktop? Most I have ever spent was $768 and that was for a dual core (nVidia gfx) laptop. Unless your VAT is ungodly high, there isn't much of a reason to spend much more then $600 for a machine that should be impressive in performance.

Not being that much interested in PCs or Macs (even more so now), I didn't have any idea what it would cost to buy a decent set up. I would have been quite happy to spend 2 grand or more on such a set up as money doesn't mean that much to me, but unfortunately nothing I saw or was shown impressed me enough to part with the cash. I've came to the conclusion that I'm happier to spend the money on keeping my Amiga's going.

[kolla]

a good quality set of 7.1 surround sound speakers into the mix as well then.

Surround? Why?

[kolla]

most interesting that certain folk who were posting positive views back then, are now contradicting themselves here & now by saying it can't be done anymore

Huh - what?

Normally that thread is used for the exact opposite argument, good to see that your view is more accurate, allthough your conclusion is rather whack - note that the people who were positive back then _were right_, and the same people are now also most likely _right_. Why? Perhaps because they're not clueless gullible lunatics? :lol:

[Franko]

Huh - what?

Normally that thread is used for the exact opposite argument, good to see that your view is more accurate, allthough your conclusion is rather whack - note that the people who were positive back then _were right_, and the same people are now also most likely _right_. Why? Perhaps because they're not clueless gullible lunatics? :lol:

It's all a matter of opinion, and I've spotted quite a few lunatics on this site...

[Dragster]

Dragster, your in Mexico if I am not mistaken... you see all kinds of aircooled vws down there I bet.

tj

That's right. Yeah, I've seen some.

Cheers,

Dragster

[ajlwalker]

A first time poster announces something that defeated dev giants of the community past...

Given the sheer number of scams and vapour projects this community has been subject to over the past decade, the reaction he received is perfectly understandable. Indeed it was in part due to this that the dev took the decision to announce it only when it was ready to roll.

Yes he was a first time poster.  But reading his post he said he had uploaded photos that hadn't shown yet.  So the prudent thing to do would have been to wait and see the evidence before shitting all over it.

And can you not see the irony that we have people here saying things can't be done, and then here comes one genius that ACHIEVED (not announced) "something that defeated dev giants"?

[ajlwalker]

Of course, didn't original Amiga developers burn through 7 million 1980's USD developing the Amiga?  That's probably about $20m in today's money.

Have the Natami team burned through $20m developing their superAGA and 68k replacement and all their other work?  I highly doubt it.  Sure the Natami may never see the light of day, but assuming it does.  It shows what could be achieved.

I wonder what the development costs have been for the X1000?  I bet it's only in the tens of thousands.

[the_leander]

Surround? Why?

Why not?

Might as well get all the bells and whistles if you're going to plunk down that kinda cash.

[the_leander]

Yes he was a first time poster.  But reading his post he said he had uploaded photos that hadn't shown yet.  So the prudent thing to do would have been to wait and see the evidence before shitting all over it.

Prudent? Heh, no.

Unless you can provide evidence to back up your claims, you're lying. It is that simple. Anything else leaves you open to being scammed.

If the community as a whole had taken on board the above, chances are a good few scams, including those perpetrated by Amiga.Inc themselves would have been squelched before they hurt anyone.

And can you not see the irony that we have people here saying things can't be done,

Err, it would be if they said that in the thread. There was never any question of OCS or even AGA being possible to reimplement within an FPGA, the contention was if it had been done.

Likewise no one has said that the X1000 is impossible, just that it's retarded.

 and then here comes one genius that ACHIEVED (not announced) "something that defeated dev giants"?

Dennis's work is a minor miracle and tbh offers one of the very few bright spots this community has seen in ten years. It achieved this by being practical, cost effective and by being realistic in terms of the market it was aiming for - IE it wasn't trying to take over the world.

X1000... It's a solution looking for a problem, it's too expensive realistically for the hobbyist set, too under powered as a workstation and given the state of OS4, may never be fully supported.

[Lando]

Of course, didn't original Amiga developers burn through 7 million 1980's USD developing the Amiga?  That's probably about $20m in today's money.

Have the Natami team burned through $20m developing their superAGA and 68k replacement and all their other work?  I highly doubt it.  Sure the Natami may never see the light of day, but assuming it does.  It shows what could be achieved.

I wonder what the development costs have been for the X1000?  I bet it's only in the tens of thousands.

I seem to remember him mentioning £200,000 so far spent on the X1000 in one of the videos floating around.  One of the reasons it's so expensive.

[smerf]

Hi,

@dougal,

You do not belong at Amiga.org, this board is only for insane people wanting to use old hardware to run only OS's. We know your type, you want to run a new computer with the latest hardware then go back to Microsoft, and don't come back, we don't like people like you who want to change things.

smerf

[dammy]

Ok, good point on GFX chips although that was not the point of the discussion I responded to. But most all companies manufacturing pc boards and systems use chips that are available to anyone. My observation was to your point regarding Amiga related hardware specifically X1000 and software which was being discussed. Nvidia, ATI, and Intel are not competing for amiga market share, but anyone can surely buy and use their chips and video boards. Drivers are created by individuals. So yes, in the Amiga world the "Little guy can compete".

Oh, you mean the AmigaOne market?  Sure, you can have a garage company slug it out with ACube and A-EON for a couple of dozen sales, I suppose.  Why anyone would bother to do that type of investment for a couple of dozen sales is beyond me.

Back in the real world, it's just not worth it less your able to sell tens of thousands of units, like how C= USA is planning.  Even then, it's off the shelf parts because it's too expensive unless your looking at  multi million unit sales.

[Methuselas]

As for your incredibly stupid comment that 'all our miggies wont be able to cut it when it comes to computing', what a load of utter gobshite you speak.

I use Maya, ZBrush, Flash, Illustrator, Photoshop, Painter and After Effects, just to name a few, on an almost daily basis. Name *ONE* Amiga, even the Next Gen's, that can do that. Gobshite......... I wasn't aware that Gobshite = Delusional.

I have said before and I'll say it again for someone like you who obviously can't understand simple english, I am more than happy to use the Amiga for ALL my computing needs and will continue to do so, for as long as I have the money to keep them going and am able to buy parts/replacements to do me the rest of my lifetime, understand now, numpty... :rolleyes:

By all means, use your Amiga for "ALL my (your) computing needs", but not all of us are able to do that. That's not our fault. We didn't make Commodore or the like go bankrupt.

I'm going to quote you verbatim, in toto here:

"However having spent a couple of days this week trailing around the shops I can now safely say that the 2 grand I was willing to spend shall be staying in my pocket. The simple reason being nothing I saw impressed me in the slightest."

Yes, you weren't impressed, 'cos there's nothing out there that's more impressive than 4096 colors, 4-channel stereo, 32 instruments, 8 sprites, a blitter and a male and female voice. :roll: An IPHONE has more "computing capability" than a decked out A4000, with a PPC card, BVision, etc *AND* it's smaller, not to mention cheaper.

PS: Apart from the spelling mistake in your 'Facts of live' ! bit, if you believe that what you say is a 'Fact of life', then you a total dunderheid as well... :biglaugh:

It's called a typo, Moron. I've been around here a *LONG* time and most of my friends on here, well, we don't care about typos and certainly don't use that as a "slam" against someone, trying to infer intellectual superiority. Wow..... I'm so hurt......you got me. Gee, I don't know what to do.

And since you're so up on "common grammatical errors", English, since it's a language, should be capitalized. Also, that should read "....if you believe that what you say is a "fact of life" (you use quotations here) then you're a total dunderheid as well..."

Not being that much interested in PCs or Macs (even more so now), I didn't have any idea what it would cost to buy a decent set up.

I can build a greater product with less than a grand, that would run circles around your *BEST* Amiga and it *STILL* runs all the same Amiga software you do, faster and more efficient, through emulation.

Zealot Trolls.......

Gotta love 'em.

[kolla]

Why not?

Might as well get all the bells and whistles if you're going to plunk down that kinda cash.

Ah, and what does yet another piece of unsupported hardware matter anyways - you're right

[the_leander]

Ah, and what does yet another piece of unsupported hardware matter anyways - you're right

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of what I could get for 2-3k instead of the X1000 - The reason I threw in the monitors and speakers was because Dammy upped my budget from 2k to 3k... But now that you mention it... Yeah what you're saying works too :lol:

[lsmart]

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of what I could get for 2-3k instead of the X1000

For example this: http://store.apple.com/us/...

It certainly has more horsepower than the X1000 but it probably won´t run UAE any better than your other PC.