Less than 12 Hours for a new Bounty to Toast all other bounty's

[orb85750]

Pyromania: OK, I'm gonna call you on this.....

I have Always needed a TBC for DVD's when I had my 4000T/Toaster/Flyer/PAR system....and a box that disabled Macrovision... otherwise no viewable picture...

What was I doing wrong? Only my cheap little video camera worked without a TBC....

I have heard of such things too.  It may depend on your equipment.  What good is a PAR board in this system?  (Isn't it redundant?)

[SysAdmin]

I have heard of such things too.  It may depend on your equipment.  What good is a PAR board in this system?  (Isn't it redundant?)

PAR board is totally made redundant by the Flyer.

[Crom00]

Not really the PAR in addition to the Flyer is a great add on as it's essentially another DDR that you can cut to. Also in a live switch environment it actually has quality that exceeds the flyer if used at the higher quality setting. The only thing is I had to leave enough padding at the start of a PAR anim when used in conjunction with the flyer. If you have the TBCIV it can actually capture video too. Cool thing about the Amiga video gear, you were always garunteed quality as everything used a TBC and was aimed at the pros.

[persia]

@marcfrick2112

A DVD isn't a live source, it's far easier to just rip it and get the video/audio that way.

[persia]

@Pyromania

Where's the iPad version of Aladdin 4D? I can't seem to find it in the Apple Store...

[SysAdmin]

@marcfrick2112

A DVD isn't a live source, it's far easier to just rip it and get the video/audio that way.

True, DVD was a bad example. Just in case anyone does not know, even the TriCasters and current VT[5] on Windows have analog connectors for capture. There is nothing wrong with someone updating the Amiga Video Toaster code to support capture from Firewire or importing from USB or digital media.

[jj]

Clues point to this person being mr van dyke
 
$12,000 whilst a lot of money from a single person.  I don't think for the man hours required for this is a lot of money.

[Crom00]

For those suggesting usb capture device... have you ever used one of these in a pro setting? Even today you have to shop around for one that doesn't drop frames, or suffer from lackluster quality as many of these devices are consumer level products not pro level products. There is a noticeable quality update when you move into pro products like the Tricaster or Toaster or Matrox products.

Believe me I know as I've tried many of them.

For those saying the Flyer is old analog tech... Umm it works digital once you capture the footage and you could output to component or yc or even save projects as a flyer clip digital file. Also the transition are totally digital.

I think a lot of folks are making comments and they've never really used the tech.
With lots of work this can be implemented into an FPGA and turned into an HD/SD product and yes USB provided it can match the quality and have built in TBC. At the time the toaster was made there was no TBC on a chip, they couldhavemade one but it would have added to cost (Tim Jennison told me so) nowdays that's much cheaper to do.

[Pyromania]

For those suggesting usb capture device... have you ever used one of these in a pro setting? Even today you have to shop around for one that doesn't drop frames, or suffer from lackluster quality as many of these devices are consumer level products not pro level products. There is a noticeable quality update when you move into pro products like the Tricaster or Toaster or Matrox products.

Believe me I know as I've tried many of them.

For those saying the Flyer is old analog tech... Umm it works digital once you capture the footage and you could output to component or yc or even save projects as a flyer clip digital file. Also the transition are totally digital.

I think a lot of folks are making comments and they've never really used the tech.
With lots of work this can be implemented into an FPGA and turned into an HD/SD product and yes USB provided it can match the quality and have built in TBC. At the time the toaster was made there was no TBC on a chip, they couldhavemade one but it would have added to cost (Tim Jennison told me so) nowdays that's much cheaper to do.

Thanx, your statements are all very true. The thing that hurts the Amiga Video Toaster & Flyer the most is people that have never used one just assume things and don't really know how great it was.

[hardlink]

Here is the UK a Bounty is a chocolate bar made with coconut and toast is basically grilled bread...

I thought in the UK it was a HisMajestysShip that mutinied because the Captian banned use of the on-board Toaster/Flyer system and even replaced all images of Kiki Stockhammer with those of Fleecy Moss.

[Amiga_Nut]

In 2010 it's all digital in digital out, be it from DVD/AVI source or HD camera input. Nothing really gets used much in the oldskool analogue method, just like nobody uses analogue cameras to take pictures or processes sound using analogue tech.

What we could use a bounty for is AVI type streamed video AND audio sync standard resurrection ie if someone could actually write a program to do something with the official Anim+SLA format (mode 2-streamed video AND streamed audio) This is basically like AVI for OCS/ECS/AGA machines which nobody ever did anything with or even remembers now.

[Crom00]

@Pyromania,

The Flyers biggest strength was also it's achilies heel. At the time there really was no alternative platform that could allow them to deploy and develop the concept at that price as the Amiga was able to do so much with the NTSC signal out of the box.

Once folks found out it consisted of an Amiga as the underlying platform "legitamate firms" backed away as MS and Apple (and especially Commodore...lol) did a good job of spreading the idea that the Amiga as outdated tech.

Newtek sold systems that covered up the Amiga Branding with a toaster logo... that wasn't by accident.

All I know is I had a ball bustor of an investor walk in see what we were doing and plunk down for another system for sales videos. So that's testament to both the Flyers versatility and my skill

[hardlink]

In 2010 it's all digital in digital out, be it from DVD/AVI source or HD camera input. Nothing really gets used much in the oldskool analogue method,

Umm, not so much. I have and use Hi8 and SVHS cameras, and even have a MiniDV camcorder with no digital outputs. I will keep using what I have until it falls apart. I have plenty (understatement) of other uses for the money required for replacements, and what I have gets the job done. I'll bet I'm not the only one.

[Crom00]

In 2010 it's all digital in digital out, be it from DVD/AVI source or HD camera input. Nothing really gets used much in the oldskool analogue method,


Really? do you work in a live production environment? A pro level setup will be able to ingest video in ANY format. Analog, Digital, any file any codec. Also lots of folks will plugin component analog source and SDI or various signals. That was always the NewTek workflow or pipeline and I thing any FPGA iteration of the legacy Amiga Flyer should adopt the same idea.

Heck if they were able to adapt the Cassablanca series to more moder spec an FPGA FLyer would be do-able.

[orb85750]

Umm, not so much. I have and use Hi8 and SVHS cameras, and even have a MiniDV camcorder with no digital outputs. I will keep using what I have until it falls apart. I have plenty (understatement) of other uses for the money required for replacements, and what I have gets the job done. I'll bet I'm not the only one.

Me too.

[desiv]

just like nobody uses analogue cameras to take pictures or processes sound using analogue tech.

Really, I still know people who use film cameras for "serious" (their word) photography.
And my local chain store (Fred Meyer's) still carries newly pressed records.
(Those things that look like really big black CDs??? :-)

Don't count out analog (or most things retro) quite yet...

desiv