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[Pyromania]

@Everyone

Some great suggestions, we will discuss with the generous donator. He is getting up there in years and is not a computer techie. He loves Amiga & the Video Toaster Flyer after all these years and that is a good thing. Nothing wrong with this bounty changing or evolving as long as the ultimate goal is met. Video editing suite for Amiga OS 4.x, MorphOS & AROS.

@warpdesign

It would be nice if Aladdin 4D was done, over 3000 hours of development have already gone into it. It's not a scam just hard work since it had been neglected for 10 years before it become our problem. In the future before we take over such a large project we will ask to look at major portions of the source-code instead of just a few small examples.

[cicero790]

This is a fantastic gesture. Send the secret donor many thanks.

[orb85750]

I still don't get it. Maybe i'm not reading properly.. But suppose you get some FPGA reincarnation of a Toaster unit, and suppose you get the software to work with it. Would you also manage all the in/out stuff that goes with it? Will you still have the same level of connectivity to external video sources-monitors etc? Will a TBC finally become unnecessary? Finally, will we ever have the same joy of using a darn genlock with our "new" platforms like we did with our cheap Amigas back in the day?
I think if someone could build an interface that would allow you to utilize youre existing genlocks on NG and AROS machines, it'd be a lot more fun!

Toaster/flyer should not need TBC for stable digital source.  Genlock also irrelevant here, right?

[Pyromania]

Toaster/flyer should not need TBC for stable digital source.  Genlock also irrelevant here, right?

Your right TBC's have not been needed for years. Even the Amiga Video Toaster 4000 does not need a TBC if you use digital sources like DV video camera, iPhone, DVD Etc. Not sure why some still think they need a TBC. I guess if your an ancient guy or girl that only has VHS tapes.

[marcfrick2112]

Pyromania: OK, I'm gonna call you on this.....

I have Always needed a TBC for DVD's when I had my 4000T/Toaster/Flyer/PAR system....and a box that disabled Macrovision... otherwise no viewable picture...

What was I doing wrong? Only my cheap little video camera worked without a TBC....

[Andre.Siegel]

It would be nice if Aladdin 4D was done, over 3000 hours of development have already gone into it. It's not a scam just hard work since it had been neglected for 10 years before it become our problem. In the future before we take over such a large project we will ask to look at major portions of the source-code instead of just a few small examples.

Well, you were told in person that the old Aladdin 4D source code was close to be worthless 7 months before DiscreetFX announced that the acquisition had been finalized. (I still think the trademark has value, though. Not because old Amiga users might recognize it, but simply because it is a good name for a graphics software package. There are not many good names left that are not already owned by other companies these days.)

It was completely obvious that the entire user interface would have to be rewritten from scratch and that the real-time 3D engine as well as the render engine would need be replaced entirely. So, with all due respect, I do not think anybody needed source code access to come to these conclusions, if that is what you were implying.

[Pyromania]

Well, you were told in person that the old Aladdin 4D source code was close to be worthless 7 months before DiscreetFX announced that the acquisition had been finalized. (I still think the trademark has value, though. Not because old Amiga users might recognize it, but simply because it is a good name for a graphics software package. There are not many good names left that are not already owned by other companies these days.)

It was completely obvious that the entire user interface would have to be rewritten from scratch and that the real-time 3D engine as well as the render engine would need be replaced entirely. So, with all due respect, I do not think anybody needed source code access to come to these conclusions, if that is what you were implying.

Perhaps we were over ambitious on that one, your right on all your points. We are happy to admit when we make a mistake and learn from them.

[tone007]

The royal "we" is awesome.

[Pyromania]

The royal "we" is awesome.

Not sure what you mean? DiscreetFX is a small startup with only a few people.

[warpdesign]

It would be nice if Aladdin 4D was done, over 3000 hours of development have already gone into it. It's not a scam just hard work since it had been neglected for 10 years before it become our problem. In the future before we take over such a large project we will ask to look at major portions of the source-code instead of just a few small examples.

Well, it would be nice if you would stop announcing more unrealistic projects before having finished this one, don't you think ?

[Pyromania]

Well, it would be nice if you would stop announcing more unrealistic projects before having finished this one, don't you think ?

This bounty was not my idea and has nothing to do with Aladdin 4D.

[AJCopland]

Cool I like this idea. As people have stated, because it's done in an FPGA it could support other video formats. Maybe even HD eventually? I'd hope it would be open sourced too?

Andy

[desiv]

Well, it would be nice if you would stop announcing more unrealistic projects before having finished this one, don't you think ?

Why?  Does it hurt you somehow when they do that??

It's funny..  I remember all the talk about reading an Amiga floppy on a PC..
Whenever someone would bring it up, the know-it-all's and wanna be know-it-all's would jump all over people about how it can't be done..
Never.. No way..  Just SEARCH, it's been covered..  STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.  Get real...

and then.. disk2fdi  
Hmm..

Just recently, I was chatting with the guy who created HxC floppy SD card for the ST and it supported Amiga, but read only.
I said I'd be more interested when it supported Amiga write capability.
A discussion ensued where it was explained to me, in no uncertain terms that it was unrealistic.  It's in the math..  It can't be done..  This is with the guy who made it..
I said, "I don't hold with "can't be done" very well."

And a few months later..  He announced write support for the Amiga.

And the funny thing is.. I would think Amiga owners out of all people would be more open to possibilities...


oh well..

There will be people who will claim that the "Amiga movement" is damaged by these pseudo-projects.  Money would be better spent elsewhere!!!

Probably..  I'm sure people were told money would have been better spent on things that weren't some fancy 68000 based computer back in 83 or so..

desiv

[J-Golden]

desiv +1
 
Seriously, as my mum would say, "If you'd only put half of the energy fighting me into the chore, you'd be done by now!" Then I'd get spanked...
 
And here is another curve ball...
 
How can I help? I'm not a programmer and only installed VTs in the past but instead of trying to knee-cap this project, I'd like to help in any way possible.
 
I have Amiga Forever running opn my laptop I'm deploying with (Cool A4000T didn't fit in my footlocker ) and that is it, but if I can be of any use, just let me know...

[Boot_WB]

@Everyone

Some great suggestions, we will discuss with the generous donator. He is getting up there in years and is not a computer techie. He loves Amiga & the Video Toaster Flyer after all these years and that is a good thing.

Wil Weaton?

(Sorry Wil if it is you - I don't really think you're "getting up there in years...")

[orb85750]

Pyromania: OK, I'm gonna call you on this.....

I have Always needed a TBC for DVD's when I had my 4000T/Toaster/Flyer/PAR system....and a box that disabled Macrovision... otherwise no viewable picture...

What was I doing wrong? Only my cheap little video camera worked without a TBC....

I have heard of such things too.  It may depend on your equipment.  What good is a PAR board in this system?  (Isn't it redundant?)