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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #44 from previous page: September 07, 2010, 03:07:25 PM »
Seems that people have too much spare time... How many of the whiners about that auction have never pirated anything?. For fucks sake, these are games that no longer sells.
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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2010, 04:29:01 PM »
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Seems that people have too much spare time... How many of the whiners about that auction have never pirated anything?. For fucks sake, these are games that no longer sells.


From an ethical standpoint, it's wrong. Realistically though, who cares.
 

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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2010, 04:44:54 PM »
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From an ethical standpoint, it's wrong. Realistically though, who cares.


Apparently eBay cares enough to remove the auction from their website.
 

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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2010, 05:20:11 PM »
 

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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2010, 05:51:37 PM »
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Seems that people have too much spare time... How many of the whiners about that auction have never pirated anything?. For fucks sake, these are games that no longer sells.


Haha... and yet you took the time to respond in the most complaining tone of anyone yet. For the most part it's been a pretty reasonable conversation/thread thus far until you came along.  Additionally the very 1st post started with me saying Ive pirated material before. Also some of the games have recently been re-released (Monkey Island games for example), so I suspect the copyright holders might be interested.
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2010, 05:55:53 PM »
Ebay is run by the Church of Satan, the "E" in Ebay stands for the "Evil Eye."
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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2010, 06:48:48 PM »
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How many of the whiners about that auction have never pirated anything?.


I stole a pack of gum from the IGA when I was five.  Does that mean I have no place to speak against theft?
 

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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2010, 06:49:59 PM »
I haven't read all pages of the thread but let me tell you my opinion.
We live in a world that is dominated by market of free will.In that sense i don't think that pirating such old games is bad.

If you hunt down and chase the guys that sell a cf with 4gigas of old games,then you should also chase the guys that sells a cyberstorm ppc for over a grand with the accusation that they sell it so much while it costed less.

If (and i mean this if) these games were on the budget market or the companies would want to care about them and make profit then absolutely they have the right to go to the court and chase down those that do it.

But loggin on your ebay account and chasing people that do this is not good for me for the following reasons.

Let's not hide.Rapidshare and torrents are everywhere,those who seek shall find.But there are people that are retro enthusiasts that have the greed inside them and want to buy tons of game at once to enjoy their emulated machines.

I suspect less than 2% of you will be people that dont have tons and gigabytes of games on their hard drives.I am not accusing you but i am saying that not all people have the option of finding them on rapidshare or torrent.

And it is not good to log into torrent trackers and rapidshare -download the games,no one knows that you do-,but if you see a game sold pirated on ebay you hit the report button.

Many people DON'T know where to find the games and frankly since they are old games,i dont think the companies care too.

Since i can find anything i want on the internet with google and torrents and rapidshare i would advice them no to give money to someone that sells it unless they can't find what they are looking for.

Of course i WOULD NEVER EVER share or download products that are still on sale and hurt the few remainng software houses or programmers or producers that are still with us.

But frankly selling pirated copies of a lemmings game on a disk or a cf mean nothing to me since the original company stopped caring for amiga ages ago.

2)i will say this again,not all people have the money to buy every original game that existed on 90 or 80 like all the collectors do.Many people want to have emulation running a software ready with hundreds of titles available on one mouse click.And you know what ?from my knowledge many people do so.

3)People that deserve to be punished are people that are pirating cloanto's amiga emulation software for example,or providing torrents of amiga os 4.x,or are selling amiga software that is being made now for amiga.

Please leave all the other guys alone.Everyone deserves to buy what he/she wants,except if you are the guy who owns shares on the electronic arts or psygnosis.

Really there is no point trying to be the cyber-cop.Isn't there another more useful meaning in life?Instead of accusing guys that sell pirated stuff why don't you go and help the police arrest people that are freeloaders or that abuse children?I believe this would make some sense.

I would never go and hurt an ebay seller unless the software that is being sold is something that is on market now and companies make money out of it.I am with you,if someone sold pirated copies of amiga os 4.x on ebay ok sue him.He deserves it.But for games from 80 or 90????
What is ethical and not is a very interesting conversation i guess.

Do not take those comments as attack or something.I wanted to express briefly my disagreement towards such behavior.
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« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 06:53:14 PM by nikodr »
 

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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2010, 07:51:32 PM »
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I stole a pack of gum from the IGA when I was five.  Does that mean I have no place to speak against theft?


Have you ever sang or been sung the Happy Birthday song in a restaurant?  How about taking a picture of Mickey Mouse?  Are you sure that you didn't get anything under copyright in any of those family photos you took?

I don't know a single adult that doesn't violate some law (usually copyright and speeding).  I highly suspect that neither you nor anyone else on this board is the exception.
 

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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2010, 08:04:32 PM »
Incidently the packages also appear to contain kickstart images and Workbench3.x. As for the analogy that people who sell ppc cards for more than thier initial value, that's a completely offbase suggestion. A truer analogy would be people who steal ppc cards and sell them. The qualm isnt with pirating (although personally I get more enjoyment these days out of owning the physical product/box/manuals/etc.), its to do with people making money from other peoples work, and to a smaller extent the fact that ebay allow this practice. Anyone who disagrees is free to send me thier wage.
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2010, 08:05:50 PM »
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Haha... and yet you took the time to respond in the most complaining tone of anyone yet. For the most part it's been a pretty reasonable conversation/thread thus far until you came along.  Additionally the very 1st post started with me saying Ive pirated material before. Also some of the games have recently been re-released (Monkey Island games for example), so I suspect the copyright holders might be interested.

I cannot case no stone in this thread or at any pirate.  It has always been a battle for the acquisition of our non-discretionary income.  That is why most companies will not send their old products/software into public domain because they simple want you to spend money on their "NEW" products.  If a company felt that they were losing substantial amounts of money due to an "OLD" product of theirs being exploited in retro-products or file sharing they would go after those who are committing the violation of their copyrights. It is simple economics that there is not enough money in it to pursue these people and the cost would out weight the effort.  But, we are talking about some very old software and most of this companies are gone and the programmers have moved on to bigger and more lucrative ventures:).  Still, we should be sensitive to what is not ours.

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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2010, 08:06:27 PM »
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I don't know a single adult that doesn't violate some law (usually copyright and speeding).  I highly suspect that neither you nor anyone else on this board is the exception.


Now, is that really the point?  Sure, there are plenty of accidental violations in our lives, so should we just deliberately perpetrate or condone violations because it is so easy to transiently transgress?
 

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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2010, 08:42:02 PM »
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Apparently ebay doesn't & neither do all the other folk selling original Amiga software right now...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ultimate-Amiga-Games-PC-DVD-ROMS-A500-A600-A1200-/160477775935?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item255d38883f#ht_5256wt_1115

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEGA-MEGADRIVE-C64-ZX-SPECTRUM-AMIGA-PC-ENGINE-M-S-/230522205865?pt=UK_VideoGames_VideoGameConsoles_VideoGameConsoles&hash=item35ac31b6a9#ht_1481wt_1115


eBay relies on their users to report violations.  They don't waste valuable employee hours scouring millions of auctions for possible cases of copyright infringement.  LOL!
 

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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2010, 09:22:46 PM »
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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2010, 09:34:51 PM »
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3)People that deserve to be punished are people that are pirating cloanto's amiga emulation software for example


Yes, for example this evil site - who the heck does this Toni guy think he is, giving away Cloanto's amiga emulation software for free on the Internet?! :hammer:
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Re: Pirated Amiga software on ebay
« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2010, 09:48:25 PM »
As long as it ain't copies of MorphOS and other currently support Amiga software, I hardly see the harm.

In regards to selling the Kickstart ROMS...

I wish they were free as it were. I don't understand the point of keeping them licensed.
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