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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2010, 04:11:17 PM »
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Wall of text crits for over 9000!


You don't even understand the meme's you try to use. Embarassing...
 

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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2010, 04:11:45 PM »
Just to give you further 'food for thought' why censorship does not require merely deleting or removing speech - but does include blocking speech -

consider this, the words were never deleted or removed.  But because new posts couldn't be added, it never again appeared at the top level of the site - that's inhibiting the ability to find the post.  It's 11,000 reads show popularity, but we all know this thread has been killed.  Without the ability to float back to the top level page and become a 'recent' it's going to die.

What if instead of deleting or removing any post, it was simply removed from amiga.org entirely and nobody could find it at all - or see it again.  

The mere fact that it exists on a hard drive somewhere, means its not censored?

Imagine a government agency, said you can't talk about politics unless you pay a $100,000 fee.   Is the fact that talking about politics is legal and allowed - mean no censorship occurred or did the fee have a chilling effect on speech?

Of course, it should be plain and obvious that locking a thread is censorship - the proper course of action is to defend the censorship.

The real counter argument is that by censoring the site, the overall quality of the site improves. (which is absolutely true - by deleting spam, by not allowing porn, by prohibiting discussion of illegal activity - the site is a higher quality site).

So did censoring this off-topic and tedious thread improve the site - that's the counter argument, if you ask me.

Denying the censorship, that is just either intellectual dishonesty, or just some kind of quick response that wasn't well thought out.
 

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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2010, 04:17:40 PM »
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You don't even understand the meme's you try to use. Embarassing...


On the contrary - clearly you didn't understand the meme. It's okay, I'm sure most of a.org probably doesn't play WoW.
 

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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2010, 04:39:34 PM »
Two famous but very opposing views of the term censorship...

"All censorships exist to prevent any one from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently the first condition of progress is the removal of censorships." 
-- George Bernard Shaw

"Vietnam was the first war ever fought without any censorship. Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind."
-- William C. Westmoreland, General and U.S. military commander

The folk who have stated their opinions that just because you can still read the thread therefore it is not censorship are totally wrong, if the individual is not given the opportunity to respond then that is indeed censorship.

My own view and taking into account that I am medically diagnosed as being Schizophrenic.

"Censorship is something I have to battle on a daily basis, two minds in one body with very opposing views, on which I have try and censor myself, not through choice but through necessity" -- Franko

Its not an easy thing to admit to but perhaps it may help folk to understand why I try to write with a touch of humor in my posts but don't always succeed. I guess today was just one of my bad days...

[youtube]ZE2t6HWmquc[/youtube]

Perhaps I'll be back on form tommorow, unless of course I get barred/censored...
 

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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2010, 04:40:40 PM »
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Denying the censorship, that is just either intellectual dishonesty, or just some kind of quick response that wasn't well thought out.

Ugh....  Censorship this, censorship that...  It's absurd to cry about the censorship on Amiga.org or most any web forum.  It's not a public forum.  The Amiga.org staff doesn't "owe" anyone the ability to post or respond in any way.  Amiga.org is a moderated forum.  It makes this fact very clear.

To take an example from the United States.  If you're a US citizen, you have the right to peacably assemble and discuss or protest.  You DON'T have the right to do it on my lawn, if I don't want you to.  Why?  Because it's my private property.  

So, no, Amiga.org is not censored.  Amiga.org is moderated.  I don't think anyone is trying to hide this fact.

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So did the moderation of this off-topic and tedious thread improve the site - that's the counter argument, if you ask me.

Fixed that for you.  

BTW, I'd argue the answer was yes, as the moderation of this thread would also improve the site.

Edit to add:
As I reread my reply, I see my tone wasn't exactly as I meant it.
MarkTime, I largely agree with your post, with just the one glaring mistake.  Amiga.org is not a public forum.  Amiga.org isn't censoring anything or anyone -- they're maintaining their forum.  If you don't like Amiga.org's moderation, you're free to go elsewhere and set up a forum as you see fit.  If Amiga.org was somehow preventing you from doing that (paying off corrupt ISPs or governments to disconnect you?)... THAT would be censorship.
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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2010, 04:42:33 PM »
That thread had become a load of useless crap and was just a waste of bandwidth (IMHO).  I am glad it was locked.
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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2010, 05:38:57 PM »
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I'm not attacking anyone


Hello???  I see you have a logic problem...

Issues with the site or staff? PM or we have a contact form.


The topic I closed, it went off track in to PC land abit after page 10 and it was 25 pages long! Not just PC Land but had devolved into arguing about Windows 3.1 and 98SE for God's sake in at topic labled Amiga Vs PC in the Amiga General Chat forum of all places. It no longer belonged there and had gone on too long. Not to mention the various insult pandered back and forth.

By all means, feel free to start up your discussion of the amazing virtues of Windows 3.1 to Windows 98SE and the amazingness of IE 3 and 4 in the appropriate forum.
 

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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2010, 05:43:25 PM »
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Given the rarity with which threads are locked I was a little surprised that it was closed.

Especially when you consider some of the threads that have been allowed to continue even recently.

Ahh the joys of having to make decisions on moderation based not on precedent but rather on gut feeling/experience.  It's precisely these kinds of threads that make me glad not to have to bother with that crap any more.


or the fact I am just one person and do not have the massive amount of time to read all posts to this site. What the other moderators choose to do is their decision. We have rules. Read them please.
 

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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2010, 05:54:27 PM »
P.S. I moved the topic to the appropriate subform. Hope that is Aokay! :)
 

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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2010, 06:56:59 PM »
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@kolla, like it or not, if something is locked from public debate then that my friend is censorship in the true meaning of the word...

I disagree, censorship would be deleting the thread so that it couldn't even be read any more.

Personally, I wouldn't have bothered locking it as it it keeps the people that want to argue about such trivial things all in one place. However, that thread has generated a number of reported posts. Argo was well within his remit to close it.
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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2010, 07:59:53 PM »
I agree with locking the thread. Moderation is much different than censorship. I censored myself on that thread, I posted something then realized how rediculous the thread had become so I blanked my post.

We can argue stuff up, down, and sideways; but when we get back to win3.1 I'm definitely out.
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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2010, 08:02:42 PM »
Help, help, I'm being repressed!

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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2010, 08:02:53 PM »
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Perhaps I'll be back on form tommorow, unless of course I get barred/censored...



I've always liked your posts Franko I hope you aren't going anywhere :)
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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2010, 08:28:44 PM »
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When you have paid for membership as I have done, then that does indeed give me some form of right here, to express my opinions in this medium...


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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2010, 08:29:43 PM »
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I agree with locking the thread. Moderation is much different than censorship. I censored myself on that thread, I posted something then realized how rediculous the thread had become so I blanked my post.

We can argue stuff up, down, and sideways; but when we get back to win3.1 I'm definitely out.


What a pity; I set up a DOSBox VM running 3.11 and Photoshop 3 to show Amigaski. :]
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Re: Censorship On Amiga.org...
« Reply #29 from previous page: September 02, 2010, 09:59:17 PM »
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We can argue stuff up, down, and sideways; but when we get back to win3.1 I'm definitely out.


Actually, I though I'd nip it in the bud before they got to arguing between MSDOS Vs Dr. DOS, cause then there would have to be someone that would just post on and on about the awesomeness that is QDOS! But we know better, CP/M RULEZ!!!