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Re: Legal issue of Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #74 from previous page: August 26, 2010, 12:29:23 AM »
I don't know if you were joking about the Pacer, but I can definitly say that I loved my Pacer.  I always figured that it was modeled after the Pylons in Land of the Lost.  You know, bigger on the inside than it was on the outside.

As for your car analogy, yes, you may have a piece of paper that says you own it, but if you leave it sitting out on the street long enough with the vin filed off so that no one can identify that you own it, you will lose your ownership pretty quickly.
 

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Re: Legal issue of Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #75 on: August 26, 2010, 05:16:05 AM »
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Google and you can find everything in a few minutes. Not a problem.

Some of AmigaEd's stuff doesn't read as logical to me. Companies are born and die day in day out and their assets including their patents and copyrighted material belong to their creditors. Other companies cease trading and their copyrights are held by them until they expire even if they are no longer a registered company.


Yes, I sure some of it doesn't seem logical. It was late when I posted. I think in many cases you would be correct. However, in the case of licensing or distribution rights I'm not so sure. Using those rights (which may not even be demonstrable) to act as an Intellectual Property cop seems even less likely to carry any weight if challenged. This might especially be true if the company who allegedly licensed those rights to you either no longer exists, never existed or never owned the rights to begin with.

I'll take another approach to this...

It seems that anyone could claim rights and or ownership. In court they would most likely be required to demonstrate that ownership or at least provide a compelling case as to why their claim should be honored.

So for example, you could walk in to the courts and file a petition claiming to own the rights to some technology. Now that may or may not be true, but you could none the less make the claim. You could even posture yourself and take certain actions to further express your claim of ownership such as selling or distributing the technology. Sure another entity could attempt to block your actions, asking the court to intervene with an injunction requesting you to cease and desist. Then you could counter. This stuff gets tied up in the courts for years and you could carry on for a long time doing whatever it is you're doing with the technology.

Sure there is a risk that some judgment will made against you if you loose out in the courts. Quite often you hear of these judgments and in the end the the award is small compared to the profits that were made by the encroaching entity in the years before. Corporations play this game all of the time.

Point is that It costs a lot of money to stave off a claim such as this and I'd be willing to bet that none of the players in the current Amiga arena could keep up a fight for very long. (business isn't exactly booming)

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Re: Legal issue of Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #76 on: August 26, 2010, 05:41:29 PM »
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Why do you need it free? Just be abdle to purchase it for say $20 would fine, but you can't do even that.


Amiga Kickstart can be bought for $9.95


https://secure.avangate.com/order/checkout.php?CART_ID=4b847eef4028afc61de8f17cbea04279
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Re: Legal issue of Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #77 on: August 26, 2010, 07:01:53 PM »
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Amiga Kickstart can be bought for $9.95


https://secure.avangate.com/order/checkout.php?CART_ID=4b847eef4028afc61de8f17cbea04279


"Empty shopping cart".

That's useful.  ;)
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Re: Legal issue of Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #78 on: August 26, 2010, 07:37:36 PM »
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Amiga Kickstart can be bought for $9.95


https://secure.avangate.com/order/checkout.php?CART_ID=4b847eef4028afc61de8f17cbea04279


Please provide working URL
 

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Re: Legal issue of Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2010, 02:18:57 AM »
http://www.amigaforever.com/

Then pick Value Edition on upper right corner.
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Re: Legal issue of Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #80 on: August 27, 2010, 03:22:32 AM »
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Then pick Value Edition on upper right corner.

That's only 1.3 ROM. My $20 offer was for 3.1
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Re: Legal issue of Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #81 on: August 29, 2010, 09:35:45 AM »
What a complete load of utter bullS&^t is being bandied about here, reckon almost everyone owns a TV but do you think it's illegal or immoral that TV manufacturers don't pay the estate of John Logie Baird any money for making the things, no course you don't, or what about your phone does the estate of Alexander Graham Bell receive money from telephone manufacturers, no of course it dosen't.

And before any smartarse tries to jump in with no they didn't invent those, it was such & such who did, well thats a whole other argument.

Even when the patents for these things were still in force those guys never became rich of them, but it didn't stop whole industries sprouting up & producing the things and making sackloads of cash of something that they didn't own or invent, yet I'll bet all you guys taking the moral high ground use the damn things.

The simple fact is any company that still sells amiga rom images and claims the right to be able to do so, would never be able to prove in a court of law that they do. Due to the simple fact that the shoddy way in which all the various company's that have raped the amiga legacy have left so many holes and grey areas as to who actually has the rights to what, that it would never be able to stand up in a court of law.

So stop whining about something that will never be proven one way or the other and let someone who is willing to distribute them for free do so and if your morals are so high then pay a company that has no legal right to charge you for them if you wish, its your choice, just don't try and force it on everyone else.
 

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Re: Legal issue of Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #82 on: August 29, 2010, 02:06:29 PM »
Look, if anybody wants to download Kickstart ROMS / Workbench (up to 3.1), then go right ahead.  Nobody is going to put you in jail.  Simple as that.  I doubt CBM would give a shit.

3.5/3.9/4.0/4.1 is a different matter though - at least you can still buy them from the people who made them.

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Re: Legal issue of Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2010, 07:18:26 PM »
Please don't continue posting on this thread if you don't understand the difference between a patent and a copyright.  (LOL)
 

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Re: Legal issue of Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2010, 10:38:12 PM »
Quote from: Tension;576694
Look, if anybody wants to download Kickstart ROMS / Workbench (up to 3.1), then go right ahead.  Nobody is going to put you in jail.  Simple as that.  I doubt CBM would give a shit.

3.5/3.9/4.0/4.1 is a different matter though - at least you can still buy them from the people who made them.


Tensions post sums up the whole subject best, :)

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Please don't continue posting on this thread if you don't understand the difference between a patent and a copyright. (LOL)

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I do know the difference between a patent & a copyright, I just went of on a bit of a rant their at the so called moral majority and their holier than thou views that piss me off... :)