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Re: What OS's "aside of Linux" Can I run on a G3 Imac 233 Mhz?
« Reply #14 from previous page: December 01, 2003, 01:20:13 AM »
I had the original All In Wonder back when a 500 Mhz AMD was the top thing, and 128 Mb of RAM was a lot.

My most recent atempt was with my Dual 1000Mhz AMD ASUS MObo, 256 Mb of Kingston RAM, ATA 133 Samsung Hard Drive, and a Radeon All In Wonder.

I would encode in 640x480, NTSC and get crap quality, if I would set the Bit Rate too high, it would either stop itself after 20Mins or so, or when it finished, the play back was horrible!!!! I would stick on a frame, and play the sound, then maybe after 5 minutes move to the next frame.

 I even formatted, re-installed XP with fresh drivers and Codecs, same thing.

 Another thing that pisses me off about ATI is they put Macrovision protection on there damn cards so that you CAN NOT back up those old aging VCR tapes, which REALLY makes me mad.

 I wrote ATI support  a few times...


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Re: What OS's "aside of Linux" Can I run on a G3 Imac 233 Mhz?
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2003, 02:04:48 AM »
You could run Boat Anchor OS.

It is perfect for such a computer and it is easy to install in your computer.  Just attach a chain to the side of it and when you go fishing next, toss it over board.  That is all there is to it.

Just becareful because it is easily attacked by viruses ( crabs , sharks etc).

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Re: What OS's "aside of Linux" Can I run on a G3 Imac 233 Mhz?
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2003, 02:33:56 AM »
I think there is ppc versions of beos v4 and older
 

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Re: What OS's "aside of Linux" Can I run on a G3 Imac 233 Mhz?
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2003, 02:39:55 AM »
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Every Ati All In Wonder I have ever owned has sucked, has not worked, or just gave bad quality or corrupted videos. I hope the world of the Mac is better for this.

For quality capture/editing, you should not get this ati cards.. Even a cheap tvtuner based on BT chipset can produce better quality videos, with some tweaking... though the files will probably be big.. If you need hardware mpeg1/mpeg2 encoders, then wintv pvr 250/350 will be even better than the ati all in wonder cards.
 

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Re: What OS's "aside of Linux" Can I run on a G3 Imac 233 Mhz?
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2003, 02:58:36 AM »
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Laptops usually have power saving regimes thus slowing things down i.e. what was the hard disk’s RPM in your laptop (e.g. 4200)?


Both have the same drive IBM/40GB HD/5400RPM/8MB cache

The Dell is 3 (maybe 4 years old)
The Sony 1 month

Dell, PIII@800Mhz
Sony, P4@2.6 Ghz

Dell, PC133, 384MB RAM
Somy, DDR(266 i think), 512 MB RAM

Chips, bus etc...

No way app launches should be comparable.

Now at encoding? That is a different story. His new machine is much faster (not to mention haveing a much nicer screen).

You want fast? BeOS nuff said there.

Of course there's the whole thing about it being dead and all. :-o

OpenBeOS :-? We shall see? In the mean time, MorphOS? Now there might be something there. I am just not lucky enough to know anybody with one or any place I can try one.
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Re: What OS's "aside of Linux" Can I run on a G3 Imac 233 Mhz?
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2003, 03:12:04 AM »
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Laptops usually have power saving regimes thus slowing things down i.e. what was the hard disk’s RPM in your laptop (e.g. 4200)?


Both have the same drive IBM/40GB HD/5400RPM/8MB cache

The Dell is 3 (maybe 4 years old)
The Sony 1 month

Dell, PIII@800Mhz
Sony, P4@2.6 Ghz

Dell, PC133, 384MB RAM
Sony, DDR(266 i think), 512 MB RAM

Chips, bus etc...

No way app launches should be comparable.

Note that a fast CPU doesn’t fix the problems of having a slow hard disk drive.

One could make a Pentium VI @3.2 machine preform like a tired old Pentium Classic machine e.g. installing 1995 era Conner hard disk drive. Bloated OSes has a greater dependency on faster drive performance.
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Re: What OS's "aside of Linux" Can I run on a G3 Imac 233 Mhz?
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2003, 03:24:11 AM »
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Crystall:  I think that 'responsivness' is a highly sujective measure. I find MacOS X 10.2/10.3 pretty zippy on my Dual 1GHz, earlier version looked too slow to me.

Then again, the store might have turn on every graphics feature possible to make it look cool.  I don't know what kind of options OSX has (like XP), to turn off the eye candy.  All I can say is that it was rediculously slow on a Dual G5, and that turned me off right away.

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Nothing starts faster than AmigaOS 3.1 from a crachety old 40MBer. :)

Well, the less hardware you have to initialize and diagnose on startup, the faster it boots.  Nothing boots faster than MS-DOS!  ;-)

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XDelusion:  YOu know, from reading what half you guys are typing about this Zippy OS business, it is REALLY hard to believe any of you ever owned an Amiga.

Yeah, just like those who say XP or Macs are slow have never used one.  I have an Amiga 1200 and several PC's at home, and used Macs all the time in school and work, and used to be a Mac sysadmin.  The Amiga is the most responsive machine I've ever used, but only if you run it in a 640x256 Workbench in no more than 8 colors, and don't switch between apps too often.  A barage of crashes doesn't help, either.  ;-)

I have so many horrible memories of MacOS 8-9, I can't forgive Apple no matter how good OSX is.  My dad has XP and I run Win2K, and I simply refuse to upgrade.  XP is too damn cluttered and slow.  Every OS has its shortcomings.

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Every Ati All In Wonder I have ever owned has sucked, has not worked, or just gave bad quality or corrupted videos. I hope the world of the Mac is better for this.

Early ATI hardware was notorious for bugs and a lack of screenmodes.  Later on, it was only the drivers that sucked.  Today's ATI hardware and drivers are very stable.  I can't say anything about movie capture, though.

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McNorris:  But Damn! My buddy bought a New Sony Vaio w/ a 2.6Ghz P4 and XP feels just as peppy on my Dell w/ a PIII 800Mhz.

The Vaio laptops don't seem very impressive to me.  My boss had one and it was a terrible machine to work on (uninstalling registry keys for Comcast tech support took about 20 minutes, about 40 mintues total).

Personally, I think most laptops are full of mismatched hardware.  I've never worked on one that seemed even the least bit usable, boot in less than four minutes, and even came CLOSE to a desktop.  Or maybe all my friends/bosses didn't know beans about selecting hardware.
 

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Re: What OS's "aside of Linux" Can I run on a G3 Imac 233 Mhz?
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2003, 03:53:49 AM »
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My most recent atempt was with my Dual 1000Mhz AMD ASUS MObo, 256 Mb of Kingston RAM, ATA 133 Samsung Hard Drive, and a Radeon All In Wonder.

I would encode in 640x480, NTSC and get crap quality, if I would set the Bit Rate too high, it would either stop itself after 20Mins or so, or when it finished, the play back was horrible!!!! I would stick on a frame, and play the sound, then maybe after 5 minutes move to the next frame.

Without knowing the specific motherboard/chipset (guessing an AMD 7xx) and ATI VPU generation, I'm guessing there's something wrong with your particlar setup. Was your software SMP aware?

An Athlon T-Bird @1.33Ghz with MSI-6330 V5 (VIA KT133A), 512MB PC133, UDMA100 40GB 7200 RPM Seagate and NV25 VIVO should be able to encode MPEG2(with kbit/s rate of 3700) at 640x480 resolution. The application for the video capture was Ulead’s VideoStudio 6 SE (bundled with video card).

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Another thing that pisses me off about ATI is they put Macrovision protection on there damn cards so that you CAN NOT back up those old aging VCR tapes, which REALLY makes me mad.

That’s another issue in regards to Macrovision.
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Re: What OS's "aside of Linux" Can I run on a G3 Imac 233 Mhz?
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2003, 05:05:37 AM »
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One could make a Pentium VI @3.2 machine preform like a tired old Pentium Classic machine e.g. installing 1995 era Conner hard disk drive. Bloated OSes has a greater dependency on faster drive performance.

You can say that again.

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Well, the less hardware you have to initialize and diagnose on startup, the faster it boots. Nothing boots faster than MS-DOS!

Uh-Uh! C=64 Basic (built-in) lets not go into the 1541 thing. ;-)

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I have so many horrible memories of MacOS 8-9, I can't forgive Apple no matter how good OSX is. My dad has XP and I run Win2K, and I simply refuse to upgrade. XP is too damn cluttered and slow.

The Mac OS8-9 thing is a love hate relationship for many a mac fan.
At least MS did something about boottime w/ XP. I agree Win2K is MS' best

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The Vaio laptops don't seem very impressive to me. My boss had one and it was a terrible machine to work on (uninstalling registry keys for Comcast tech support took about 20 minutes, about 40 mintues total).

I like Sony VAIO laptops. Quality cases, Beautiful screens... If I didn't want a Powerbook, it would be a Vaio.

I have an XP lic.through my work, but my my wife uses it.

I haven't forgiven MS for the whole Office/DR-DOS thing. I don't like it and I won't buy it.

BeOS was divine, but it went the way of the Amiga.

I just wish I could try out MorphOS. I could I'd put my money where my mouth is and buy if it rocks.
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Re: What OS's "aside of Linux" Can I run on a G3 Imac 233 Mhz?
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2003, 01:35:26 PM »
So Does MorphOS run on IMacs or what? Everyone seems to be avoiding that question. :)


 As for ATI, I am threw with there vid capture cards for ever!
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