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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #104 from previous page: March 23, 2011, 04:21:31 AM »
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Well another reason for NOT using UAE and using a real amiga is the phat paula sound! Seriously even just "dry" output off of the amiga rca to a mixer has really good low end bass sounds and the synth sound seem analogue even though its digital.


I agree 100%. UAE looses A LOT in the translation! Might as well just use Open Mod Plug Tracker if you're going to be using a PC.
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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #105 on: March 23, 2011, 07:01:50 AM »
Or SS for PC? Only 15 quid, http://www.medsoundstudio.com/
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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #106 on: March 23, 2011, 08:38:40 AM »
http://sourceforge.net/projects/modplug/

FREE + BETTER!!!

Also, no OctaMED S.S. will cause your MorphOS machine to lock up the moment you click on the icon. This is one of those few things that make me cry when using MorphOS. And I mean curl up on the floor in fetal position and cry!
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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #107 on: March 23, 2011, 08:45:37 AM »
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Or SS for PC? Only 15 quid, http://www.medsoundstudio.com/
This is actually quite good, I bought a copy in 1999... And used that same PC MED v1.0 until I moved to Macs and foun myself use real Amigas for tracking again. Though a simple tip,  in Logic Pro, a bit crusher and a carefully set EQ will give a very convincing approximate 8bit sample sound.

Side note, I do plan to release a "PaulaAudio" AudioUnit for the Mac, that will crush to 8bits, EQ and introduce the quantisation errors (that Karlos and I worked out a few years ago) to any audio stream... Watch this space :)

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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #108 on: March 23, 2011, 08:55:35 AM »
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This is actually quite good, I bought a copy in 1999... And used that same PC MED v1.0 until I moved to Macs and foun myself use real Amigas for tracking again. Though a simple tip,  in Logic Pro, a bit crusher and a carefully set EQ will give a very convincing approximate 8bit sample sound.

Side note, I do plan to release a "PaulaAudio" AudioUnit for the Mac, that will crush to 8bits, EQ and introduce the quantisation errors (that Karlos and I worked out a few years ago) to any audio stream... Watch this space :)


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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #109 on: March 23, 2011, 09:10:17 AM »
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Side note, I do plan to release a "PaulaAudio" AudioUnit for the Mac, that will crush to 8bits, EQ and introduce the quantisation errors (that Karlos and I worked out a few years ago) to any audio stream... Watch this space :)


What ever you are talking about...

...it makes me wanna buy a Mac. Now if we had a way of redirecting the audio in MorphOS to a virtual Paula or something...

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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #110 on: March 23, 2011, 12:13:11 PM »
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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #111 on: March 23, 2011, 08:38:10 PM »
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Yea, I bought that when it came out as well. I had just sold my A4000/060 and bought a 500mhz PIII.

I thought my Amiga days were over until I loaded it up and it started skipping on the first mod I played! Man I was pissed!

V2 is much better. It has support for VSTi and a sampler built in! I couln't use V1 at all?
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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #112 on: March 23, 2011, 09:09:29 PM »
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Side note, I do plan to release a "PaulaAudio" AudioUnit for the Mac, that will crush to 8bits, EQ and introduce the quantisation errors (that Karlos and I worked out a few years ago) to any audio stream... Watch this space :)


I remember that. Good old non-linear Paula :)

The other effect you need to emulate properly to get that unique Amiga sound is the sample-rate aliasing, which might be slightly trickier to get right. I've always thought that ringing sound it adds to things played at low playback rates sounds a bit like what you'd get via an aural exciter.
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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #113 on: March 23, 2011, 09:48:01 PM »
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I've always thought that ringing sound it adds to things played at low playback rates sounds a bit like what you'd get via an aural exciter.




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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #114 on: March 23, 2011, 09:51:17 PM »
A simple "Fnaarrrrr!" would have sufficed! :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exciter_(effect)#Aural_Exciter.
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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #115 on: March 23, 2011, 10:45:59 PM »
So guys why are we discussing lame pc and mac prograrms? this is about the amiga versions of octamed?... cmon
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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #116 on: March 23, 2011, 10:59:08 PM »
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I remember that. Good old non-linear Paula :)

The other effect you need to emulate properly to get that unique Amiga sound is the sample-rate aliasing, which might be slightly trickier to get right. I've always thought that ringing sound it adds to things played at low playback rates sounds a bit like what you'd get via an aural exciter.


PC sound cards work by hardware mixing the sound to a fixed output rate (44KHz or whatever).  The Amiga was unusual in that it worked by speeding up and slowing down the individual samples.  This means the aliasing noise changes with the pitch the sample is played at and thus becomes part of the sound.

Mixing players may inadvertently recreate this if they are not smoothed but it's likely to be a slightly different effect.


To recreate this effect could prove challenging. It needs to be done in the sample playback routine. You'd really need to create a a virtual instrument to do it properly.




OTOH you could just use an Amiga.
...which is exactly why I was asking about software that does 8-bit non-mixed sound.
 

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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #117 on: March 23, 2011, 11:12:37 PM »
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this is exactly why you should use an amiga. Nothing can emulate the phat paula sound :)
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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #118 on: March 23, 2011, 11:16:51 PM »
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PC sound cards work by hardware mixing the sound to a fixed output rate (44KHz or whatever).  The Amiga was unusual in that it worked by speeding up and slowing down the individual samples.  This means the aliasing noise changes with the pitch the sample is played at and thus becomes part of the sound.


I think it's a bit different. IIRC, and I might be wrong about this, it isn't that it plays samples at different rates (ie, higher values for faster rates), but instead uses a sample period (physical duration between sample changes) to define the playback speed. This is a reciprocal quantity with respect to frequency - hence lower period values result in faster playback and vice versa. I'm a bit hazy on the details now but I seem to recall that these periods are expressed in a "ticks" of a clock that's derived from the system clock and runs at around 3.5MHz. This means that arbitrary playback rates aren't possible - the "tuning" of higher notes gradually becomes less precise than lower ones since the period value becomes smaller (thus having fewer bits of precision).

There have to be some interesting slew and phase effects resulting from this method of playback that are hard to reproduce in a conventional mixer.
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Re: OctaMed sound studio
« Reply #119 on: March 24, 2011, 12:02:10 AM »
I'm with Karlos here, the base rate is set by the video refresh rate (edit: from memory 28khz), the playback frequency is based on a period between fetching the next sample :)
Paula doesn't play back at quite the right frequency, I won't be able to emulate that as I don't plan to write a whole bloody tracker!
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