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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2010, 02:09:06 AM »
Hey Franko, it's a shame your PCMCIA port is blocked off, network cards for A1200s are pretty cheap second hand. This palette is definitely the best 16 colour palette you can get for an Amiga. My friend Rebel worked hard on it over the last few years to perfect it, making it compatible with everything we could think of, including all common iconsets (Magic Workbench, NewIcons, GlowIcons, IconoGraphics...), and several of the best Workbench applications and games with custom GUIs and graphics. It was optimised to remap photos and illustrated images well, eliminates DBL Pal/NTSC flashing caused by certain shades, works with the MagicTV software flicker fixer (on Aminet), and is totally OCS compatible, so can be used by all Amigas with Workbench 3.x.

Robert, the Dynablaster game is called Dynamite, and it is indeed an online game for Amigas! :) It's extremely configurable, you can change the graphical skin (there are Simpsons ones, anime ones, a cool snowman one...) and you can design your own maps with the included map editor. There's an online high score table where the results from all matches played are submitted and combined too!

If anyone else would like to use the perfect 16 colour palette for Workbench, you should download FullPalette and try this palette preset:

http://home.exetel.com.au/amiga/FullPalette.prefs

If you use Scalos instead of Workbench, you can use this preset for Scalos' palette preferences:

http://home.exetel.com.au/amiga/ScalosPalette.pre

You can get the FullPalette utility here:

http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/FullPalette22

Download and read more information about Dynamite here:

http://amisource.de/dynamite/


Sorry for derailing the thread a bit!
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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2010, 05:21:46 AM »
Quote from: Cammy;574536
I have 1.45MB ChipRAM free after Workbench finishes loading with all its background and task bar images, here it is running several applications with plenty of RAM to spare. Oh, and it responds and refreshes about ten times faster than it does in 256 colour mode.


I'm just amazed how good that looks. My Workbech look's are so crappy that they put all amigas to shame =(. I have to get that configuration running.
Are you using the Scalos for the bars and that "start" thing on the lower left corner?
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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2010, 06:01:18 AM »
One thing that has never been good on Workbench is its dithering routines.  I think if there were some sort of third party hack to improve this it would make a low-color workbench look even better.
 

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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2010, 07:09:49 AM »
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What screen mode is that your using and do think I'd be able to do the same on my set up...

A1200 Blizzard060/PPC603 60Mhz/240Mhz / 256Mb RAM / 2 x 500GB HDs / 2 x DVD Burners / FASTATA MKIII / Cocolino Wireless Mouse / Custom built Amplifier


Why on earth you haven't got BVision when you have BPPC? ;) Better get it if you plan any surfing on it... makes it much more fun and you don't have to worry about screen modes either.
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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2010, 12:24:44 PM »
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Why on earth you haven't got BVision when you have BPPC? ;) Better get it if you plan any surfing on it... makes it much more fun and you don't have to worry about screen modes either.


Simple reason... Never managed to find one yet... :(

(always seem to check ebay, just after one has been sold)

From what I can gather though, the BVision card has to plug in where my FASTATA MKIII card sits, anyone able to confirm this for me, Thanks... :)

(Cammy... I guess I'll have to do a quick mod to my case to access the PCMIA slot...) :)
 

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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2010, 03:21:33 PM »
Just tried the fullpalette and fullpalette.prefs file, but when booted the palette resets to normal WB colors.
How do I save the palette so that the colors remain the same when booted? Tried many options within
FullPalette, and always clicked save ?
« Last Edit: August 13, 2010, 04:02:08 PM by lauri.lotvonen »
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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2010, 03:43:33 PM »
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That would be neat, the grainy looks arent so great.


When i used to emulate Mac Os 7.5 and 7.6 on an A1200, i ran it in 256 color dblscan AGA 640 x480 screen using an external MMU-mapped video driver and it looked fantastic running photoshop 3 (4?) with 24 bit jpegs as the Mac OS dithered so well.  And as the display was in fast ram, it was much quicker than a 256 color AGA Workbench.
 

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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2010, 03:54:19 PM »
@Franko

There is a kit available which raises the kickstart rom sockets to allow the FastATA and BVision to be used in conjunction.

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@Cammy

Fantastic matey! That's a great looking classic Workbench - kudos to your mate who developed the pallette presets.
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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2010, 04:04:20 PM »
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@lauri.lotvonen

There is a kit available which raises the kickstart rom sockets to allow the FastATA and BVision to be used in conjunction.

@Amigakit
(I'll take my usual referral fee :-) )

@Cammy

Fantastic matey! That's a great looking classic Workbench - kudos to your mate who developed the pallette presets.

BTW, do you mean Franko when you suggested the kit for Bvision. Because I dont have a PPC card installed.
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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2010, 04:18:12 PM »
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BTW, do you mean Franko when you suggested the kit for Bvision. Because I dont have a PPC card installed.

Doh!

Corrected, thankyou :-)
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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2010, 04:18:28 PM »
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Just tried the fullpalette and fullpalette.prefs file, but when booted the palette resets to normal WB colors.
How do I save the palette so that the colors remain the same when booted? Tried many options within
FullPalette, and always clicked save ?

You have to start the the FPprefs from your StartUp-Sequence.

EG:- (place a line in your StartUp-Sequence)

C:FPprefs

Franko

(thanks for that info Boot_WB...)
 

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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2010, 08:47:49 PM »
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It's impossible to do this with native Amiga graphics. 1024 x 768 x 8 needs 768 kb of gfx memory. 2 MB - 768 kb = 1.25 MB. That's the absolute maximum you can get. But gfx is not the only thing which needs chip ram. There's also sound, floppy disk and all the stuff in the zero page. It's hardly possible to keep 1 MB free with this high screen resolution.

To have more free chip memory than that, you need a graphics card. The Indivision is not a graphics card. It does not come with its own graphics chips and memory. It just manipulates what the native gfx chips do.

Here's the screenshot I was talking about :
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=2007 .

There is no backdrop as I incorrectly remembered, but a whopping 2mb of free chip ram =). Never got that WBAllocFast thingy to work though...Has anyone else here tried that?
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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2010, 10:25:50 PM »
That guy is using a retargetable graphics card, so it doesn't need to open any screens or data into the ChipRAM since it's not using AGA, ECS or OCS.
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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2010, 11:49:50 AM »
With a graphics card you can have almost 2 MB chip-RAM free *without* any patches.

See this for example: http://thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de/amiga/screenshot2.jpg

But the native chipset needs at least the displayed bitmap in chip memory.

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Re: Which format to use on backdrop?
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2010, 04:00:12 PM »
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With a graphics card you can have almost 2 MB chip-RAM free *without* any patches.

See this for example: http://thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de/amiga/screenshot2.jpg

But the native chipset needs at least the displayed bitmap in chip memory.


What calendar program is that?  Very nice!
 

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