Amiga vs PC

[B00tDisk]

Saying "YES IT CAN" doesn't change reality nor refute my point.  See my previous reply (post #215).

DOSBOX doesn't run Windows 3.x stuff.   Now that I think about it, it may not even run all DOS software properly-- haven't really extensively tested it.

jesus christ man yes it does, I've run Fleet Defender and Pirates! Gold in 3.1 under DOSBox.

[Franko]

Today everyone has a computer in their home, kids have them in school.  Libraries have become computer stations that also have books.  It's a different world.  People don't tinker anymore, in fact on iPhones, iPads, iPods and to a lesser extent Android devices, they aren't allowed to.

Don't know why some people live under the delusion that everyone has a computer in their home, or use a mobile phone etc, etc...

Perhaps it's the environment or social group in which they live and obviously never venture outside of that makes them believe this myth, afraid thats something I can't answer.

What I can answer with 100% certainty is that not everyone has a computer in their home, not everyone uses a mobile phone, etc. How can I say this, simple, because of personal experience. I know more people who have no computer in their home than do. Whether its through choice or financial reasons. I know people who don't own or use a mobile, people who don't even have any form of mp3 player.

As for tinkering there are still many folk who tinker with things, be it computers, TVs, old VHS recorders, the list could go on and on.

Point is, if you are under the illusion that everyone has the above mentioned items in their home then perhaps it's time to leave your keyboard, switch off your computer and venture outside into the real world and experience a bit more about life and people and even try a bit of tinkering.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=868

[Boot_WB]

jesus christ man yes it does, I've run Fleet Defender and Pirates! Gold in 3.1 under DOSBox.

@Bootdisk:

I think you're on the other side of a semantic arguement here:

Can I run a Workbench application on WinUAE? No
Can I install Amiga OS3.1 on WinUAE and run a Workbench application on that? Yes

Now, transposing the principle:

Can I run a Windows3.1 executable file on DosBox? No
Can I install Windows3.1 on DosBox and run a Windows3.1 executable file on that? Yes

The point is that dosbox is not capable of running a Windows 3.1 applications without installing the Windows 3.1 operating system.

[Boot_WB]

http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=9405

Here's a guide for you to run win3.1 in dosbox. Happy now?

I'm touched that you would enquire so tenderly after the emotional wellbeing of another member.

[jorkany]

You're not serious, right? Oh man...

First someone who thinks it immature to write 'peecee', now someone who thinks it dumb because he doesn't understand :lol:

Here's the explanation: 'peecee' is similar to 'M$', 'Winblows XPee' and 'Linsux'. Get it? I sure hope so...

Still doesn't invalidate Arkhan's original assessment. It doesn't matter WHY you're doing it, you still look dumb doing it.

[amigaksi]

jesus christ man yes it does, I've run Fleet Defender and Pirates! Gold in 3.1 under DOSBox.

I can't even run this DOS application I wrote many years ago-- IRQ8.EXE (it runs fine on my Windows machine if I boot to DOS).  

I think they should update it to WinBOX so it runs old Windows stuff w/o requiring any installation or mounting crap.  I never even used the mount command before in DOS and now you are required to use it in addition to installing Windows 3.X on top of it.  And no, my customers will not buy and install Windows 3.X as the whole problem here is they upgraded from 32-bit to 64-bit.

[Karlos]

I think they should update it to WinBOX so it runs old Windows stuff w/o requiring any installation or mounting crap.  I never even used the mount command before in DOS and now you are required to use it in addition to installing Windows 3.X on top of it.

:roflmao:

Perhaps they should upgrade hard disks so that you never have to install crap. They'd just come pre-filled as if by magic with everything you'd ever want.


Do you ever read any documentation for software?

Firstly, the mount command is used by DOSBox so that you can mount a host directory as a drive from within the emulation.

Secondly, do you have any idea what would happen to any person, organisation or company that went around giving out Windows 3.x for free with their application?

Tell you what, why don't you try that? Let us know how you get on, will you?

[Arkhan]

I'm touched that you would enquire so tenderly after the emotional wellbeing of another member.

quit sounding like a pompous bag of dicks.  and no kidding you have to install Win3.1 to run Win3.1 apps. Your argument is the equivalent of going

THE COMPUTAR SEZ THERE NO OS INSTALLED NOW I CAN'T RUN GOOGLECHROME, THIS IS A POS. I'M GOING BACK TO MY AMIGA.

Everyone that says M$ blows, WINDOZE IS SUCK, etc. etc.  is an idiot.  End of story.  Its fine if you think Amiga computers are still the bees knees, but take off your rose tinted glasses and get with the times already.

If they (M$) blow so bad explain why any computer you buy has the latest Windows on it.  Explain why most corporations use Windows and other M$ stuff.  I think the majority of the haters had a PEBKAC issue they were too dense to solve, and decided the entire thing was worthless.

Explain why M$'s Xbox 360 is a pretty massive success and the first console to easily allow homebrew development on?

If omgLINUX was packaged on every PC at BestBuy, IT would be what is most targeted for bullshit spyware/nonsense.  Why would spyware people want to target the minority.  That's why your Amigas don't get viruses when you go on the googlemachine.  The world at large doesn't give a damn about them anymore.

The times have changed, everything has evolved, Commodore/Amiga dropped the ball and lost.  Now there are sleeker, better, faster things to do your computing on.  Amiga's are nice nostalgia trips, and still nice to play games on if thats your thing, but they can't compete with modern hardware.  Do you think Pixar is using Amiga's? No.  

Nasa? Nope.

If all you're doing on the modern computer is jacking off on facebook, whatever.  Go for it.   It may be mundane to alot of people who do more intense stuff........ but you still can't do it on an Amiga.

[Thorham]

Still doesn't invalidate Arkhan's original assessment. It doesn't matter WHY you're doing it, you still look dumb doing it.

The word 'peecee' is just a derogatory term for PC, nothing more, and I don't know why using it makes me look dumb in some peoples eyes, especially not seeing how this is an Amiga forum

Actually, people who say that someone looks dumb because they're using a term such as 'peecee' on an Amiga board, need to look at themselves first, instead of pointing fingers at others.

Really, this makes no sense at all to me. Now, if I were to use this term on other forums I visit which have nothing to do with Amigas, such as VeggieBoards, then it's used completely out of context, and then it's indeed plain stupid.

The bottom line: I'll never stop using 'peecee' in context, whether some people think it's stupid or not

[Arkhan]

Actually, people who say that someone looks dumb because they're using a term such as 'peecee' on an Amiga board, need to look at themselves first, instead of pointing fingers at others.

I only point the finger at dumb people, so I'd never have to point at myself.

Really, this makes no sense at all to me. Now, if I were to use this term on other forums I visit which have nothing to do with Amigas, such as VeggieBoards, then it's used completely out of context, and then it's indeed plain stupid.

If you can't say it everywhere and have it be legit, odds are its a waste of time and you're being a tard.

The bottom line: I'll never stop using 'peecee' in context, whether some people think it's stupid or not

Nothing like willful stupidity!

[amigaksi]

:roflmao:

Perhaps they should upgrade hard disks so that you never have to install crap. They'd just come pre-filled as if by magic with everything you'd ever want.


Do you ever read any documentation for software?

Firstly, the mount command is used by DOSBox so that you can mount a host directory as a drive from within the emulation.

Secondly, do you have any idea what would happen to any person, organisation or company that went around giving out Windows 3.x for free with their application?

Tell you what, why don't you try that? Let us know how you get on, will you?

You are running in a GUI environment-- it's an easy enough thing to make something like a PIF that runs the DOSBOX and runs your application.  No mount needed.  No need to read documentation if it's same setup as current GUI.  By the way, I already accepted that there are legal issues, but that never stopped people from cloning other people's software.  I think there are many Windows clones and even Photoshop clones in the PD.   And you didn't even address the point that it's still perfectly legitimate to say that DOSBOX doesn't run Windows 3.1 stuff (period).  Even if you go through all the trouble to install it and find the original floppies, you have cross your fingers and hope the application runs.

[Thorham]

I only point the finger at dumb people, so I'd never have to point at myself.

If you can't say it everywhere and have it be legit, odds are its a waste of time and you're being a tard.

Nothing like willful stupidity!

If you think I'm dumb then I can happily live that

[amigaksi]

quit sounding like a pompous bag of dicks.  and no kidding you have to install Win3.1 to run Win3.1 apps.

You misunderstood that argument completely.  It's a fact that PCs have been backward compatible since 1980s when they first came out.  Now all of a sudden you have this 64-bit OS that refuses to run Windows 3.x stuff although processor is quite capable to do so.  So some suggest using DOSBOX.  But DOSBOX itself has problems with even DOS applications and clearly it isn't as simple as saying "DOSBOX runs Windows 3.x stuff."

...compete with modern hardware.  Do you think Pixar is using Amiga's? No.  

Nasa? Nope.

They aren't running your standard PCs either so that's a straw man argument.  And Amiga is good at running stuff it was designed for just like any machinery.  When you want to bloat it with gigabytes of mostly useless dead code in running internet and seeing bloated websites, you will experience a slow-down.

[Arkhan]

You misunderstood that argument completely.  It's a fact that PCs have been backward compatible since 1980s when they first came out.  Now all of a sudden you have this 64-bit OS that refuses to run Windows 3.x stuff although processor is quite capable to do so.  So some suggest using DOSBOX.  But DOSBOX itself has problems with even DOS applications and clearly it isn't as simple as saying "DOSBOX runs Windows 3.x stuff."

Yet noone bitches about having to use WHDLoad on newer Amigas, or that old Mac stuff requires emulation on new macs.

They aren't running your standard PCs either so that's a straw man argument.  And Amiga is good at running stuff it was designed for just like any machinery.  When you want to bloat it with gigabytes of mostly useless dead code in running internet and seeing bloated websites, you will experience a slow-down.

funny, the NASA research center by me uses PCs.

[amigaksi]

Yet noone bitches about having to use WHDLoad on newer Amigas, or that old Mac stuff requires emulation on new macs.

Assuming you are right, two wrongs don't make a right.  And actually WHDLoad is trying to make things run off the hard drive rather than the floppy although there are few that misbehave in the way they use the OS calls or memory.  So that's not the same issue as purposely preventing stuff from running-- seems more like someone just boasting his power to drive out old software.  Mac switched processors so that requires emulation but Intel processor are backward compatible.

funny, the NASA research center by me uses PCs.

You means the employees using the internet or the ones they use for the fancy stuff.

[Thorham]

Yet noone bitches about having to use WHDLoad on newer Amigas

Of course not, why would they :confused: WHDLoad removes the need for floppies, and is a massive improvement over how it used to.