Amiga vs PC

[runequester]

Ahem, iBrowse was released around 1996. If you want to compare things properly (in a timeframe when amiga machines were still relatively new and on sale), then you can compare AMosaic (released around the end of 93) with either Mosaic itself or Netscape which appeared around the last quarter of 94.

Unable to find any videos of Amosaic at a first glance.

But hey, here's a dude using ibrowse on a 1200 with no processor card

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9s5IsXl8f4&feature=related
Workable it looks like, but pretty gruelling.

[runequester]

Not so. The hardware and software is of a similar vintage - 040 vs 486 MacOS 7.x and Windows 3.x

With regard the browsers, heh, no.

IE4 was released in 1997, IE5 in 2000

Voyager, Aweb and Ibrowse were all still being actively developed within this time frame. None of them came close in terms of capabilities to either IE or Netscape.

IE4 running on Shapeshifter offered a far more useful experience than running any of the contemporary native browsers within that time.

This is a like for like comparison.

Thanks for the clarification. I figured by late 90's the PC market had switched to pentiums more or less completely, so I don't think I've ever seen IE or Netscape on a 486 in person.

and hey, hooray for shapeshifter Knew a guy who used that quite a lot to use app's and even some games that weren't coming out for the amiga once commodore tanked, and it always looked impressive. Heck, sometimes it even looked faster than comparable mac's I dealt with at work, but Im not sure if thats true or not.

[the_leander]

But hey, here's a dude using ibrowse on a 1200 with no processor card

Workable it looks like, but pretty gruelling.

It is.

Tbh when I used the CD32 online, of the three browsers, unless I absolutely needed that little extra bit of compatibility that Voyager 3.3 offered me, I stuck with Aweb and switched off image loading and set it to not bother dithering - it just took too long on pages which had a lot of images on.

[Karlos]

I actually used Shapeshifter to run MSOffice when at university. Those pesky professors and their insistence on MS word documents and the like.

It was actually pretty usable, especially under RTG.

[runequester]

It is.

Tbh when I used the CD32 online, of the three browsers, unless I absolutely needed that little extra bit of compatibility that Voyager 3.3 offered me, I stuck with Aweb and switched off image loading and set it to not bother dithering - it just took too long on pages which had a lot of images on.

Is there an amiga version of Lynx ?

[the_leander]

Thanks for the clarification. I figured by late 90's the PC market had switched to pentiums more or less completely, so I don't think I've ever seen IE or Netscape on a 486 in person.

No worries!

Lets put it this way, Microsoft didn't exactly advertise the 3.x version of IE5. It took me about a month of digging to find a link to it on their site that worked :lol:

And yeah, you're right - the vast majority of people had moved onto much bigger and better things than the humble 486 by the time of IE4's release, much less IE5

But it was a freebie, which like the Amiga, I couldn't resist putting it through it's paces to see just what it was capable of. It was an interesting experiment for sure. Certainly as far as browsing went, the PC, even of the vintage I trialled was a much more capable system. Though on the usability front it simply couldn't hold a candle to the Amiga.

Ended up giving the system away iirc. Or at least what remained of it.

and hey, hooray for shapeshifter Knew a guy who used that quite a lot to use app's and even some games that weren't coming out for the amiga once commodore tanked, and it always looked impressive. Heck, sometimes it even looked faster than comparable mac's I dealt with at work, but Im not sure if thats true or not.

Well I read the same quotes - that an 040 equipped Amiga could outpace a like for like equipped Quadra. Though if I'm honest I never saw benchmarks backing it up. It's cited on wikipedia too, though I've not really bothered to look into it.

[Thorham]

It's quite amazing how everyone here keeps going on about how one shitty browser was better than another shitty browser... I see no reason why any peecee software couldn't have had a proper Amiga version, except for the fact that no companies cared to make it happen. Big deal. Blame Commodore's lame ass for not promoting the machine properly and not giving a damn.

As for the hardware: peecee's won simply because they kept being developed, while Amigas were milked, and then afterwards Commodore went bust. Compare Amigas and peecees from the early days of the Amiga, and stop comparing a machine which wasn't developed to it's fullest (AGA anyone?), to a machine which has been steadily improved up to this day. It's pointless, because we all know which one is going to win.

[the_leander]

Is there an amiga version of Lynx ?

Oh yes!

[runequester]

Oh yes!

I've been meaning to get a wireless PCMCIA card for my 1200, and I figured Lynx would be the best way to go

Still a bit daunted at the task of setting up TCP/IP and all that

[the_leander]

peecee

peecee's

So mature!

and stop comparing a machine which wasn't developed to it's fullest (AGA anyone?), to a machine

We weren't.

But... You'd actually have to bother to read what was being discussed to understand that rather than skim though like you just did.

[the_leander]

I've been meaning to get a wireless PCMCIA card for my 1200, and I figured Lynx would be the best way to go

I think at one point there was supposed to be a version of Elinks floating around out there that had been compiled for the Amiga... Gods only know where it resides if its not on Aminet however.

Still a bit daunted at the task of setting up TCP/IP and all that

MiamiDX, accept no substitute. Makes light work of networking. I found the Cappa version on Aminet to be the most stable for me, though your mileage may vary

[runequester]

I think at one point there was supposed to be a version of Elinks floating around out there that had been compiled for the Amiga... Gods only know where it resides if its not on Aminet however.



MiamiDX, accept no substitute. Makes light work of networking. I found the Cappa version on Aminet to be the most stable for me, though your mileage may vary

I'll look into it.


On a totally unrelated note but somewhat tangential to this thread... can you bring any of the atari machines online ? Howd they fare ?

[halvliter'n]

I'm not an Amigan. Never have been, never will be.

Go home and cradle.

[the_leander]

I'll look into it.


On a totally unrelated note but somewhat tangential to this thread... can you bring any of the atari machines online ? Howd they fare ?

Here might be the best place to ask.

I have almost no knowledge of the Atari

[Franko]

the_leander... FOR GAWDS SAKE, please stop quoting quote upon quote and then only answering with one or two word reply's...

Good job your not having to type all this on paper or you'd have used up a rain forest by now... :biglaugh:

[Karlos]

I've been meaning to get a wireless PCMCIA card for my 1200, and I figured Lynx would be the best way to go

Still a bit daunted at the task of setting up TCP/IP and all that

I seem to recall Patrik and Fx put up a no-nonsense guide for configuring AmiTCP somewhere, but I can't seem to find it atm.

Anyway, the trick is to tell it you have an A2065 network card when installing it. After installation, edit the file AmiTCP:db/interfaces file and change the line that reads "a2065.device" to "cnet.device" (assuming that's what you are using for your NIC).

Job done.