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What software works without kickstart ?
« on: August 09, 2010, 12:35:34 PM »
I guess the title says it all. I know some software was written that worked without kickstart (to conserve memory maybe for the early a1ks?(ie. kickstart needed to be loaded into a dedicated area if Im not mistaken)), but Ive always wondered what. The only one I know of (although Ive never tested it) is Dragons Lair.
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 10:38:20 PM »
Kickstart does. ;-)
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2010, 10:48:22 PM »
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Kickstart does. ;-)


I was just waiting for someone to give an answer here (managed to resist the temptation myself)... nice one weirdami.... :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2010, 11:20:34 PM »
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Kickstart does. ;-)


:roflmao:


I always use Kickstart without Kickstart.
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2010, 12:25:27 AM »
Hi,

Well actually Kickwork starts without kickstart.

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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2010, 01:10:37 AM »
Perhaps the OP meant to ask which programs did not require Workbench to boot up. Apps & games that bypass it or use their own scant Workbench certainly saves on memory  :)  

And yes, Dragons Lair requires Kickstart naturally (1.2 or better). Not sure where you ever heard that....
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2010, 01:33:55 AM »
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And yes, Dragons Lair requires Kickstart naturally (1.2 or better). Not sure where you ever heard that....

Wikipedia says so, and I'm fairly sure I read that when it was originally released as well.
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2010, 01:57:17 AM »
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Wikipedia says so, and I'm fairly sure I read that when it was originally released as well.

Shall I take a pic of my A1000 NOT booting an original Dragons Lair disk inserted in the drive with the Kickstart hand on screen?   :laughing:

...or do I have the only copy that doesn't work that way? lol  Seriously - if this is true, how do you make it so? I've tried disk 1, disk 2 and disk 6 for good luck. Sounds like a cool concept, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2010, 02:47:58 AM »
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I guess the title says it all. I know some software was written that worked without kickstart (to conserve memory maybe for the early a1ks?(ie. kickstart needed to be loaded into a dedicated area if Im not mistaken)), but Ive always wondered what. The only one I know of (although Ive never tested it) is Dragons Lair.


Well, my loader program runs without any kickstart:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320571447274

It boots directly since it writes directly to Amiga hardware registers so doesn't require any OS calls.  Once loaded on A1000, you can then upload stuff to it through the floppy port.

It's 1.5K but Kickstart bootstrap always loads 256K.

Any program that directly writes to hardware registers and doesn't use OS calls should be able to run w/o kickstart and even use that memory for it's own program use.
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2010, 02:48:52 AM »
@fishy_fiz

I don't know of any programs that didn't require loading Kickstart to boot, but some programs kicked Kickstart out and used the 256K WOM for themselves.

The one that comes immediately to mind is the A-Max Macintosh emulator.  A 512K A1000 could have 512K free in MacOS, with the Mac ROMs loaded into the Kickstart area, plus a RAM disk as well if you were using a small ROM image.

There were a few games that I remember went through what seemed like a two-level boot process.  Rebooting the machine after playing the game required re-loading Kickstart.  I don't know if the games were doing that on purpose to use the KS memory or if they were accidentally corrupting Kickstart.
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2010, 06:18:34 AM »
The Amiga 1000 specific ST emulator (which will never get finished as he ran out of WOM space)

I can't think of any game/utility that allows you to turn on your A1000 and pop anything other than a Kickstart disk in first so technically only the above emulator counts ;)
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2011, 10:53:58 PM »
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The Amiga 1000 specific ST emulator (which will never get finished as he ran out of WOM space)


More than 40KB are free, but i am out of time.
Someday (next 20 years ...) i ll finish the project.
I promise ... :D
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2011, 11:03:33 PM »
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Wikipedia says so, and I'm fairly sure I read that when it was originally released as well.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.

I think every game needs kickstart to get going.
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2011, 11:37:39 PM »
IIRc there were some demos which could be booted directly on the A1000, without loading a kickstart first.
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Re: What software works without kickstart ?
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2011, 01:11:12 AM »
I had an A1000 and I never had any demos like that.
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