AmigaDE for Pegasos PPC website

[asian1]

Hi,
There is a strange, new developer website:
AmigaDE

AFAIK Genesi/Pegasos PPC does not have any
license for Intent/Intent2 VP from TAO.
Even if they won the case and got the AmigaDE,
can they run AmigaDE without Intent/Intent2?
If Genesi lost the case, will they remove/disable
the website?

[Rodney]

As far as i know, they havnt got it yet, but they seem confident about the court case Either way, i dont think its illegal to set up a site such as the one mentioned, not that you where saying it way, just that i know thats wat some people will think... At least, i dont think its illegal, doesnt seem to be...

[JoannaK]

Ah well.. this looks like hvng ingrediances to a potential flame war..

Anyhow.. I only want to say one thing.. Pegasos is PPC machine just like AmigaOne. I really wish people start to think it as a most sureproof way to ensure AmigaDE appearing to AmigaOnes in coming years. In the end, DE is supposed to be integrated key part of Future AmigaOS. This merge of OS4 and DE has been long announced but no real work has been done on implementation.

Some people have been saying it's technically impossible to port DE to Pegasos/MorphOS, and at the same time these same people keep forgetting it's won't be much  different to Aone/OS4 target. So.. Is it impossible or not?

I can understand that people don't want to see AmigaDE been 'tainted' by running it on another platform.. but in the end.. Is Pegasos so much worse target than some Pda:s running windowse OS in them?

[bbrv]

Actually, the site is for ANY PowerPC platform support.  Did anyone notice that?

:-)

R&B

[mantisspider]

Whats so good about DE? From all the hype and the posts in the DE forums when they were live a few yrs ago nothing ever happened.
IIRC the only software made in the end was a little games pack available on a smart card.

is it supposed to be the case of stand back XP amigaDE is here? what benefits would merging amigaDE and OS4 have? please enlighten me as I am pretty ignorant and after being shown amigaDE all those years ago I could smell that nothing would happen so I didnt bother looking again.

[Rodney]

Thats a good point bbrv Hope it goes well for yall

[bhoggett]

I think the timing is nothing more than another petty point-scoring exercise. Nothing at all can be done until the case is over, and even in the event of Genesi winning it, that does not accord them the rights to TAO's IP regardless of what their contract with Amiga Inc says.

Until otherwise confirmed by TAO, I'd regard everything about AmigaDE on Pegasos or any other PPC platform as pure fantasy.

It's just a publicity stunt folks.

[Rodney]

bhoggett wrote:
I think the timing is nothing more than another petty point-scoring exercise. Nothing at all can be done until the case is over, and even in the event of Genesi winning it, that does not accord them the rights to TAO's IP regardless of what their contract with Amiga Inc says.

What makes you think their trying to take over TAO's IP, or even use it? I dont see any reference to tao on that site. All their doing is providing a gateway for AmigaDE developers... nothing wrong with that, i could set up a similar site!

It's just a publicity stunt folks.

Hrmm, maybe... But probably not You think if they win, they'll just tear down the site and pretend it never existed? I doubt it, Genesi have shown their support to developers of open source systems and applciation programmers for morphos... I see just another effort by genesi to support people wishing to develop AmigaDE apps, with a focus towards PPC computers...

It looks a bit shifty because as far as we know, nothing has been decided in the courts and its not confirmed (or at least we know nothing of it) that the AmigaDE will be ported to PPC or indeed Morphos. However, if there ever is an LinuxPPC version, Genesi can take advantage of that and provide a developer community for it. Anyway, Maybe bbrv has some information they're not ready to release? Who knows...

[amigamad]

I can understand that people don't want to see AmigaDE been 'tainted' by running it on another platform.. but in the end.. Is Pegasos so much worse target than some Pda:s running windowse OS in them?

it should be on as many platforms as possible that is what i thought was meant to be the idea of it .Being honest i cant see much use of this to pegasos or amigaone users due to thew fact there is nothing that great to run on it.I dont see any reason why it should not be ported to morpos. :-)

[bbrv]

Well, perception is reality.  Here is the reality: there is nothing unless there are people to do it.  There are now 13 registered users.  Can it be something?  Sure.  Why not?!  :-)

This Developer sites are like the others.

We put them up.  We hire someone from the registered users to maintain and moderate it.  We see what happens.

Francis Charig is a business man.  If there is an opportunity to profit from a relationship he will.  Half of the DE license fee to be paid goes to Tao anyway.

R&B  :-)

P.S. Cannot resist...Bill, can you feel the metaMorphOSis?  :lol:

[bhoggett]

@Rodney

AmigaDE does not exist as stand-alone IP. Invariably, it contains TAO's intent, and so any porting has to be done by those who have a license from TAO to do so.

If Genesi win, they claim that they can force Amiga Inc to hand over the source code so that Genesi can do the port themselves. However, unless they obtain separate licensing from TAO, this is BS. No contract between Amiga Inc and Genesi can be binding on TAO, unless there is a special clause in TAO's contract with Amiga Inc (which I doubt Genesi would have been given access to).

As for the gateway theory, bear in mind that there is no licensed port of intent for any PPC solution at the moment. Therefore, this gateway is there to provide what precisely? Support for something that doesn't exist?

As for AmigaDE development, you forget that no one has access to the up-to-date kits without signing both NDAs and SDAs with Amiga Inc. I'd think those agreements preclude putting any relevant or genuinely helpful information on a public website.

Surely, you should be able to recognise another episode of Peg-Pong when you see it.

(Not to mention that AmigaDE is a dead duck and utterly useless on any desktop system)

[bbrv]

Of course, all that changes in with a favorable ruling... :-o

P.S. Surely, you should be able to recognise another post of Mr. Peg-Pong-Pooper when you see it. ;-)

[bhoggett]

@bbrv

Well, perception is reality.  Here is the reality: there is nothing unless there are people to do it.  There are now 13 registered users.  Can it be something?  Sure.  Why not?!  :-)

AmigaDE had 3000 registered developers at one point, according to statistics (allegedly). AW.net is supposed to have well over 1000 active members, according to statistics.

'nuff said.

This Developer sites are like the others.

We put them up.  We hire someone from the registered users to maintain and moderate it.  We see what happens.

Hence the fishing expedition, or the reference to Peg-Pong.

Francis Charig is a business man.  If there is an opportunity to profit from a relationship he will.  Half of the DE license fee to be paid goes to Tao anyway.

But there is no deal between you and them, and no guarantee that there will ever be one. License fees notwithstanding, there are responsibilities for both parties in such an agreement. What's to say that your vision fits in with TAO's plans?

P.S. Cannot resist...Bill, can you feel the metaMorphOSis?  :lol:

Well, I can only suggest that you reserve that kind of word play for those who are amused by it. I prefer something called wit with my humorous repartees. Look it up in a dictionary sometime.  ;-)

[bhoggett]

@bbrv

Of course, all that changes in with a favorable ruling..

Actually, it doesn't change anything. A favourable ruling is binding on Amiga Inc, not on TAO. All it will mean is that Amiga Inc will have been found to owe you something they cannot legally deliver.

A bad situation for Amiga Inc (if it could get any worse) but not one that will make any difference in Real Life (tm) unless you strike a separate licensing deal with TAO - which you do not have at this time.

[AmigaMac]

BBRV,

Is there any way that Genesi and Amiga Inc. can settle this matter peacefully?  This sort of thing only seems to hurt the Amiga community in the end and only strengthens Microsoft's dominance by the fragmentation of other computing platforms by internal problems/feuds.

It would be great to see the 2 companies form an alliance and keep with their strategies while building a solid foundation for the Amiga Developer community.  The idea of having 2 Amiga platforms out there is actually a good thing (I came to realize that now) which will help push innovation for the Amiga platform drastically.  Also with 2 companies pushing for the platform should help build a strong developer base for Amiga apps.

Can't we all just get along  :-?