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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #74 on: July 13, 2010, 11:06:25 AM »
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What you're saying is that AmigaOS is better because it is really unpopular. Thats a time limited selling point.

Its an argument that recognises things as they are:its a hobbyist OS for which there is negligible malware risk.
 
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Unless what you want to do is convince the world that AmigaOS is so much better, but then tell everyone they can't use it because then you'd all be easy targets for malware.

That sounds like Windows.   Really.  Its what MS does every Windows cycle.  Its only a matter of time before any Win version becomes just one massive patch. MS even tells us so.  We then wipe that one off the hard drive, and start again, hoping to get a few years of reasonably secure OS  use MP, Firewalls, AV software nothwistanding.  If Linux and OS X were as popular, they'd be in a similar state.
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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #75 on: July 13, 2010, 12:31:25 PM »
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@the_leander

Your replies speak for themselves.


Yes, it's a shame you're incapable of understanding them.

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1.  Theoretically lack of multi-user and MP make AmigaOS less secure.  In reality, it means SFA as a)the risk of malware  is negligible


You have malware on the brain. Malware isn't the only (or even the most dangerous) risk factor for a computer that having a multi user environment in place protects against.

Case in point: My sister was given a Win98 laptop some years back, she decided to and I quote "tidy up" the internal file structure, which meant renaming and deleting about 2 3rds of the OS before it finally shat itself.

When she later got an XP box, I made sure she ran in a limited user account to avoid repetition.

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2.  I referred to  Ubuntu as it is BY FAR the mostly widely used distro.


I'm sorry, but you're going to have to provide a citation of that. And whilst you're at it you may wish to look into the numerous variants based off of it before you make a complete arse of yourself... Again.

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 Totem is its default media player.  Ergo its the most widely used Linux media player out of the box.  Ditto lack of mp3 and DVD playback in Ubuntu.  Its what most Linux users would confront out of the box.  


Until you provide proof of your claims, your conclusions are equally worthless.

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3.  I referred to VLC precisely to negate your BS "WMP as an OS  framework used by third party media players without which you can't playback media files" argument.  I achieved my aim.  The rest is just waffle.


There is nothing BS about it. And way to totally ignore what I actually said and at the same time bypass your own original question.

You created a strawman. Nothing more nothing less.

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4.  Spotlight?  You claimed iTunes could be considered an integral part of the OS.


I told no such lies.

Here is what I said, for the flids among us:

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I wouldn't be surprised if the library functions within iTunes on OSX are in part tied to the OS's search engine that again could be tapped by other software...


Way to misrepresent everything that has been said to you. Come back to the site when you learn to read.

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5.  Competence has nothing to do with the fact that one OS has sensibly named folders and  file names, and another doesn't or requires you to execute and remember a gazillion shell commands just to do simple thing.  


Competence has everything to do with it. It all "makes sense" once you understand it. And whilst Vanilla AOS3.x may well be easier to learn thanks to its simple size, the moment you actually move out of that and start applying patches and full blown replacement bits to it, things get complex real fast.

Linux, Windows and OSX might have slightly tougher learning curves when it comes to delving into their guts, but the flip side is that with the latter two at least, there is far less need as they come with fairly sane default settings and enough functionality built in to not necessitate hacking away at them, Linux too if you choose your distro correctly can provide a very elegant out of the box experience, though with that you do have to be a little pickier with your hardware choice than windows. The other point is that kids today are being brought up on Windows practically from the cradle, for them, the Amiga would be as alien to their way of handling a computer as some hardcore Linux or BSDs would be.

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 That thread`must have cut you,


Not at all, tbh I'd all but forgotten about it until you started acting the hypocrite.
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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #76 on: July 13, 2010, 04:21:36 PM »
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Its an argument that recognises things as they are:its a hobbyist OS for which there is negligible malware risk.

So the only way for Microsoft to make Windows secure is for everyone to stop using it? Sounds a bit like security through obscurity, which is a very bad thing to rely on.
 
You're also limiting the number of applications you'll ever be able to run, because if AmigaOS ever gets popular enough to sustain apps you'll have to switch to another unpopular OS.
 
It sounds like you'd be happiest if you were the only one that ran AmigaOS. In which case, why would you think it was a good idea to convince us that it's viable?
 

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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #77 on: July 13, 2010, 05:01:56 PM »
If the whole "security through obscurity" thing was true, Im surprised there's not a flood of BSD vira out there to destroy the webservers of important stuff
 

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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #78 on: July 14, 2010, 01:57:15 AM »
This thread delivers! :D

Just as a reference, I scanned my registry for orphans, to see how many I had.

My computer is being used daily, both for work, and for gaming and surfing. I have installed and uninstalled at least a dozen games since I reinstalled the last time, not to mention the myriad of game demos, and a few productivity apps that have been going in and out like male reproduction organs in the feeding apparatus of a very busy woman of eastern European origin.

There was 436 orphaned registry keys.
436 keys in the 8½ months that have passed since I last reinstalled.

This will undoubtly slow my system down to a crawl.

Oh, by the way, the reason some distributions of Ubuntu don't play DVD's, and some other media, out of the box is because the open source players violate patent/copyright laws in some countries. Thus, this funtionality is provided as add-ons, to make sure that the distribution is legal regardless of where it is being installed.
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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #79 on: July 14, 2010, 02:47:31 AM »
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This thread delivers! :D

Just as a reference, I scanned my registry for orphans, to see how many I had.

My computer is being used daily, both for work, and for gaming and surfing. I have installed and uninstalled at least a dozen games since I reinstalled the last time, not to mention the myriad of game demos, and a few productivity apps that have been going in and out like male reproduction organs in the feeding apparatus of a very busy woman of eastern European origin.

There was 436 orphaned registry keys.
436 keys in the 8½ months that have passed since I last reinstalled.

This will undoubtly slow my system down to a crawl.

Oh, by the way, the reason some distributions of Ubuntu don't play DVD's, and some other media, out of the box is because the open source players violate patent/copyright laws in some countries. Thus, this funtionality is provided as add-ons, to make sure that the distribution is legal regardless of where it is being installed.


There is no way to know how many unused keys you have in your registry.


EDIT:

Ok. I took about a month old machine with Win7.  It has Office 2010 and a few other office programs.  

Backup the reg and it is 119MB

I installed Quicktime and then backup the reg again.
Then I uninstalled Quicktime and backed up the reg a third time.

After install 8835 lines were added to the registry.  There were more changed than that, but that is actual lines added.

After uninstalling, comparing to the original reg 3 minutes prior, there are 1956 lines of code left over.  



It added 1.03 Megabytes when installed.

After removing my REG now has 251KB of crap data.


No running CCleaner won't help. :-)
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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #80 on: July 14, 2010, 04:44:02 AM »
That's why I've used jv16 PowerTools  for years - but can't say how effective it is in this respect.
 

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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #81 on: July 14, 2010, 08:59:47 AM »
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After removing my REG now has 251KB of crap data.

No running CCleaner won't help. :-)


But writing a note to Apple about their broken installer might help.
 

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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #82 on: July 14, 2010, 10:54:10 AM »
@amigaheretic

That was orphaned keys only; keys that point to files that no longer exist.
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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #83 on: July 14, 2010, 02:01:09 PM »
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There is no way to know how many unused keys you have in your registry.

It added 1.03 Megabytes when installed.

After removing my REG now has 251KB of crap data.


No running CCleaner won't help. :-)


251k? seriously. You think that will slow down your PC?
 

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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #84 on: July 14, 2010, 02:47:16 PM »
Common files are also left. For example if you install a game that requires visual basic runtime and a couple of other generic dll's these may be left by the installer because the developer (not necissarily MS) felt they were useful files you might still want  on the system.

Occasionally when uninstalling a program you might get the dialog box saying something to effect of "this action will delete *.dll which the system indicates is no longer used by any programs, deleting this file may cause programs which do use it to stop working of become unstable"

these are not garbage that will slow your computer but usefull programs which will not have to be installed by other programs if they need them.
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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #85 on: July 14, 2010, 02:51:11 PM »
Developers also leave registration info, and other tracking stuff. Again, not MS, won't slow you computer, but I guess you could debate the invasiveness of info left by a program you uninstalled.
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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #86 on: July 14, 2010, 03:00:30 PM »
GOOD GOD I get tired of these friggin useless "I hate Microsoft" threads. You hate Microsoft or Windows or whatever, FINE DON'T USE THEM or BUY THEM or anything else.  

But STFU and stop clogging boards with this useless drivel that has zero bearing on anything even resembling anything worthwhile.  

I am tired of having to sift through this type of worthless crap so I can actually read something USEFUL and INFORMATIVE.

No OS is perfect, and you can friggin nitpick any OS out there.. they all have flaws, (I know as I use all of them mentioned here) but NOTHING is more compatible, works better fresh out of the box on more hardware.

NOTHING
PERIOD

Hate Windows or Microsoft all you want, but STFU about it..
 

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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #87 on: July 14, 2010, 05:04:46 PM »
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251k? seriously. You think that will slow down your PC?


No I think it will speed it up.

That was a single program.  Like I said a dozen times already if you are the kind of person that installs and uninstalls program to test them out all the time your will slowly fill you system with crap and you have no way to clean it other than a reformat/reinstall.

That crap that is left behind on that test system is their forever now.   It's seems like there would be a better way.
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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #88 on: July 14, 2010, 05:48:52 PM »
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That crap that is left behind on that test system is their forever now. It's seems like there would be a better way.

It's unlikely to make a bit of difference, but if you really care about making sure that software you install and uninstall is really gone then you could use a virtual machine or a sandbox (I've heard good things about this: http://www.sandboxie.com/).
 

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Re: WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is
« Reply #89 from previous page: July 14, 2010, 05:49:03 PM »
holy christ.  The fliddery is in full force in this thread.

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Totem is its default media player. Ergo its the most widely used Linux media player out of the box. Ditto lack of mp3 and DVD playback in Ubuntu. Its what most Linux users would confront out of the box.


Most linux users immediately want to watch movies and listen to MP3s?

INTERESTING!

I thought most linux users immediately wanted to do something useful.

Also, piss on Ubuntu.  Redhat/Fedora smokes that brown pile of MacOSXknockoff.  :D

all of this lol@windowsregistry, and referencing basic CS concepts to argue the point, is stupid.   Comparing it to how "streamlined" and "easy to use" an old ass OS is, is also stupid.  Amiga OS is a pain in the ass alot of times.

The only thing wrong with the windows registry is people who think they know what they're doing going in and touching stuff.  If a database of crap like that slows your computer down, then your computer is a piece of shit.  get a new one.

I've had a single core XP box running 24/7 (unless theres a power outtage) for the past like, 8 years.

It boots up just about half as fast as the new windows 7 box I have.   Is this bad?  No!  The Win7 box has a way better processor, more ram, and a faster HDD.  It had better boot faster.

They both still boot perfectly fast and the XP machine has never needed restored.  It's full of programs and installed crap too.  That registry is perty damn big, and it hasn't jacked my performance.

so all of the M$ Haters can go walk into traffic. :)  

Show me the following for another OS in a situation where the programs will all run without having to dick around for hours until it works, and maybe then the whole "OMG M$ SUx0r" thing will have some validity.

There are no great, functional, nice to use alternatives to alot of the stuff I do with Windows.  Trying to find and use "better alternatives" turned out to be more work.   Less bang for my buck!

forget that crap.
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