Interview with Trevor Dickinson

[EDanaII]

They could easily compete against AROS, Karlos. A professionally supported OS could move much faster and capture more users than an Open Sourced OS does, at least, in theory.

Two cents...

[runequester]

They could easily compete against AROS, Karlos. A professionally supported OS could move much faster and capture more users than an Open Sourced OS does, at least, in theory.

Two cents...

these two things are NOT mutually exclusive.

[EDanaII]

Eh, there's no exclusivity in my statement, runequester.

[the_leander]

 Technical issues aside, how would they compete with AROS?

I don't see Linux overtaking either OSX or Windows any time soon, do you?

[the_leander]

Which mods?  Which posts?  Do you think we have conspiracy meetings in the mod forums?  I would suspect if something was removed it was removed for the content being inappropriate for the site.  If someone wanted to hide something they'd delete entire posts and/or threads no?

You say that like AW.net hasn't got a long and well documented history of doing just that.

[AmigaHeretic]

Which mods?  Which posts?  Do you think we have conspiracy meetings in the mod forums?  I would suspect if something was removed it was removed for the content being inappropriate for the site.  If someone wanted to hide something they'd delete entire posts and/or threads no?

I do.  I have had my threads "disappeared" quicker than an American hiker accidentally crossing the North Korean border.

It's really nice when you get an abuse report message that has the link to your "supposed" violating post only to click on it and see your thread is gone.

When PMing a mod that is exactly what you get,  "We moved it to the mod area and are discussing it."  Only for it never to be seen again.

[ffastback]

You say that like AW.net hasn't got a long and well documented history of doing just that.

No I say it asking for any recent examples of that because I am unaware of what he says occurring.  I only joined the site in 2005 and there were long periods I was not on it.  I may of missed something.  Or maybe he is talking about things that happened long ago?  No idea really.  If a conspiracy exists to make Hyperion "not look bad" its not being discussed in the mods forums, thats for sure.  And if that conspiracy exists why are there plenty of posts up with Rogue being "not in friendly marketing customer service" mode?

[koaftder]

A few months ago Rogue said something nasty to someone and somebody moderated it, and that's not the first time it's happened. And by moderated I mean the whole text was just modified to just *moderated*, you're a mod over there, go dig through rogue's posting history, you'll see it. As a user, I have no good way to dig through posts other than going to google and typing in "site:amigaworld.net 'some string to search for'", hell, you've admitted on the forum that you look at people's IP addresses and look for matches on the moo, so you've got the capability to poke around. No point in denying things here.

[the_leander]

No I say it asking for any recent examples of that because I am unaware of what he says occurring.  

Oh you're unaware... Right, got it.

Or maybe he is talking about things that happened long ago?  No idea really.  

No this happens on a pretty much weekly basis. Check out moobunnys archives. You'll find no end of links to threads that go nowhere. It's not nearly as bad as it was, but that really isn't saying much.

I don't know what kind of access you have to the back end of AW.net so I can't really comment on what you may or may not find should you look.

The truth of the matter is however, that this is an ongoing issue that has been there since the inception.

And if that conspiracy exists why are there plenty of posts up with Rogue being "not in friendly marketing customer service" mode?

And how many of those threads disappear after a few days?

[ffastback]

I do.  I have had my threads "disappeared" quicker than an American hiker accidentally crossing the North Korean border.

It's really nice when you get an abuse report message that has the link to your "supposed" violating post only to click on it and see your thread is gone.

When PMing a mod that is exactly what you get,  "We moved it to the mod area and are discussing it."  Only for it never to be seen again.

You've started tons of controversial threads at AW.net without them being removed.   Anyone coming to the site from outside the community is not likely to get a super rosy feeling about Hyperion.  It would take years to read all the negative posts that exist about Hyperion on the site.  If a thread got pulled (its very very rare) then ask why it never came back.

[ffastback]

A few months ago Rogue said something nasty to someone and somebody moderated it, and that's not the first time it's happened. And by moderated I mean the whole text was just modified to just *moderated*, you're a mod over there, go dig through rogue's posting history, you'll see it. As a user, I have no good way to dig through posts other than going to google and typing in "site:amigaworld.net 'some string to search for'", hell, you've admitted on the forum that you look at people's IP addresses and look for matches on the moo, so you've got the capability to poke around. No point in denying things here.

As a user, sure you do, its the same one I use:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/search.php

Denying what BTW?

The only mod I have seen do *moderated* is zerohero.  But since when do we not remove nasty attacks?  Why should Rogue be the only one we leave up?  I'd agree he should state the reason in the moderation, that is customary.  But he has done the "*moderated* thing on others besides Rogue.  Maybe he was busy or pissed in having to deal with it.  You'd have to ask him.

[ffastback]

Oh you're unaware... Right, got it.

Well no one one in the mod forums is ever there going "we have to protect Hyperion" or anything remotely like that.  Mocking my honest answer is not going to make what you think is going on true.  Or perhaps its just what you want others to think is going on?

No this happens on a pretty much weekly basis. Check out moobunnys archives. You'll find no end of links to threads that go nowhere. It's not nearly as bad as it was, but that really isn't saying much.

Threads just up and disappearing with no explanation?  If that was really happening with such frequency it would not just be talk at Moo, it would be talk at AW.net directly amongest users going WTF!  

And how many of those threads disappear after a few days?

Since from what I see hardly any threads go into the trash can I'd have to answer almost none.   And as Amigaheretic already mentioned in his case, on the rare occasion that something goes that route usually a message goes up about "pending staff discussion".

[AmigaHeretic]

This was one of the best threads on Moo a month or 2 ago.

AW mod Alkis Tsapanidis had blatantly and unfoundedly called a user a liar in an AW thread.  When the accused proved him wrong he admitted it in a post in the same thread.   A Moo poster quipped that some one should grab a screen shot before the thread was deleted.

Alkis post in response on Moo, "No, those posts won't be deleted. I admitted I was wrong, there's nothing to hide."
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/171127.shtml


Shortly and hilariously after he made that post the thread was of course deleted and magically is still missing:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=31424&forum=7

[Karlos]

I don't see Linux overtaking either OSX or Windows any time soon, do you?

Depending on the area you are looking at, it already has (in HPC, for example, linux is so far past the post, barely anybody else gets a look in. Just check out the top 500 by OS).

However, you simply cannot compare linux v windows/osx, each of which has literally many millions of home and business users with this situation. You are talking several orders of magnitude fewer users on amiga for a start, let alone "next gen" amiga systems.

If OS4/MOS moved to x86, they'd be up against all the challenges that AROS has faced during it's development. Only by then, AROS itself will likely have overcome some of them.

So, who in their right mind would pay for an x86 version of OS4/MOS when they could get a free OS (which would by then be the more capable system on the target hardware)? Nobody but the most die-hard users in each camp, which probably runs into dozens each.

[Terminills]

Depending on the area you are looking at, it already has (in HPC, for example, linux is so far past the post, barely anybody else gets a look in. Just check out the top 500 by OS).

However, you simply cannot compare linux v windows/osx, each of which has literally many millions of home and business users with this situation. You are talking several orders of magnitude fewer users on amiga for a start, let alone "next gen" amiga systems.

If OS4/MOS moved to x86, they'd be up against all the challenges that AROS has faced during it's development. Only by then, AROS itself will likely have overcome some of them.

So, who in their right mind would pay for an x86 version of OS4/MOS when they could get a free OS (which would by then be the more capable system on the target hardware)? Nobody but the most die-hard users in each camp, which probably runs into dozens each.

But Aros' code is apl'd so all the technical advances it makes could be used by Morphos and AOS.  

So they would gain Aros' advances plus have the advantage of having many features that are more mature then Aros.

[ffastback]

This was one of the best threads on Moo a month or 2 ago.

AW mod Alkis Tsapanidis had blatantly and unfoundedly called a user a liar in an AW thread.  When the accused proved him wrong he admitted it in a post in the same thread.   A Moo poster quipped that some one should grab a screen shot before the thread was deleted.

If I remember this one correctly (it was back in April) Alkis was very sure that when someone was banned you could change your avatar and he thought someone who was saying otherwise was full of it saying it was not possible.  To his credit he checked it out afterwards to be sure, saw he was wrong, manned up and admitted it on the Moo.  He took responsibility for his mistake.

Now its an interesting slight of hand you seem to be attempting here, because the thread's removal had nothing to do with that exchange.  It had to do with the overall content of the thread which was IIRC about avatars made to look a penis, it might have even been animated, using part of a design element from the A-Eon website with embellishments.  AW.net is a privately owned family website and the decision, which you are free to disagree with had to do with that content.  It had nothing to do with a "cover-up" to "protect" Alkis.  If Alkis wanted that he would not be admitting his mistake on the Moo, now would he?

This is your example of threads disappearing as easily as an American hiker crossing into North Korea, or what someone else said was still a weekly occurence at the site?  Meh.