Installed MorphOS on my eMac, Now What?

[Piru]

When I launch it, after copying the baseq2 folder, I get the following error:

Error: Couldn't fall back to software refresh!!

Hmm I just tried installing this quake2 on a vanilla MorphOS 2.5 installation (mac mini) and it worked. The only problem I had was the initial screenmode didn't work with the monitor I had. I worked around this by quitting the quake2 (hit esc for menu, hit up arrow, hit enter, hit y) and editing baseq2/config.cfg file to disable fullscreen mode:

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set vid_fullscreen "0"Restarting (and now in window mode) I was able to configure everything to my specification. Then finally I changed quake2 to use minigl hardware rendering and screen resolution of 1280x1024.

[Piru]

So how does MorphOS manage to run these classic programs as if native like this without the use of UAE? This just blows my mind!

While MorphOS is fully PowerPC native it implements all the programming interfaces that are used in the classic AmigaOS applications, including PowerUP and WarpUP, Warp3D. MorphOS also includes a 68k CPU emulation (both slower but accurate static emulation and highly efficient Just-In-Time translation that translates most 68k code to native PowerPC instructions on the fly) that makes it possible to execute the amiga 68k applications. This all makes it possible to run old amiga applications as if they were native MorphOS applications.

Needless to say it took years and years to all this working properly, and there still are some things that don't quite work 100% yet. :-)

There also are limitations: Since these new machines don't have the amiga custom chipset, any application banging the HW directly needs to be run inside UAE. This mostly means floppy games and demos.

Is this the sort of features we could hope to get from AROS some day as well?

AROS needs to take a slightly different approach to this emulation, but in theory AROS could have the same features. Here's a project that I believe has most promise:
http://emumiga.com/

Needless to say it'd be ton and ton of work to implement everything.

[XDelusion]

Very noble project!
So in essence, if this project reaches it's goals, it will more or less alow AROS to have the sort of Classic Amiga compatability that MorphOS enjoys, but without the Kickstart roms?

As for Quake II, I'll try a couple other sources, and see what I come up with. I can't even boot the game as of yet.

Quake I also gave me problems, but Quake III booted fine, though it and PrBOOM become a bit sluggish at times in the menus, though thankfully not during gameplay.

[Piru]

Very noble project!
So in essence, if this project reaches it's goals, it will more or less alow AROS to have the sort of Classic Amiga compatability that MorphOS enjoys, but without the Kickstart roms?

Correct.

Just to clarify: MorphOS doesn't need KS ROMs either, unless if you want to install UAE of course.

As for Quake II, I'll try a couple other sources, and see what I come up with. I can't even boot the game as of yet.

hmm just to be sure, this is what your quake2 dir should look like:

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Work:Games/Quake2> list all
baseq2                             Dir ----rwed Tänään    09:53:48
ref_tinygl.so                   236692 ----rwed 20-Hei-04 22:11:10
ref_soft.so                     235008 ----rwed 20-Hei-04 22:04:04
quake2.info                       7313 ----rwed 25-Syy-04 22:59:04
gameppc.so                      677152 ----rwed 20-Hei-04 22:04:58
quake2                          593624 ----rwed 20-Hei-04 22:04:58
5 files - 1 directory - 1749789 bytes used

Directory "baseq2" on Torstai 24-Kes-10
pak1.pak                       12992754 ----rwed 12-Hel-98 23:01:46
pak0.pak                       183997730 ----rwed 30-Mar-97 06:59:58
2 files - 196990484 bytes usedPS. Some stuff will be added (config files, savefiles) when you run the game for the first time.

[XDelusion]

So how does MorphOS get around the Kickstart issue?

[Piru]

So how does MorphOS get around the Kickstart issue?

We've reimplemented all (well most) the functionality included in the kickstart. AROS has done the same and we even share some common code. The MorphOS implementation is binary compatible (that is all the public structures and libraries act identical to the classic amiga).

The problem AROS has that it isn't binary compatible (Well it really can't be since it's little endian. AROS has also chosen to diverge quite a bit from classic OS in some respects), so it cannot integrate the emulation directly. This is the gap http://emumiga.com/ project attempts to bridge. Without such emulation layer the only way to run classic amiga programs in AROS is to use UAE (which again requires the original Kickstart ROM Image & Workbench files).

[XDelusion]

So far I got Magellan II working, but I have to assign it it's own WallPaper as I can't figure out which Prefs file to load in order to share Ambient's.

Also it does not seem to like Ambient's PNG icons. Is there a way to fix this?

[pVC]

You apparently run Magellan on its own screen/window and/or didn't start it up with D2A/Magellambient.

As Magellan can't show PNG icons and other Ambient things, the purpose of D2A/Magellambient is to hide the original Magellan window and bring the functionality of it over Ambient. When you have those kind of problems, the original Magellan window hasn't been hidden.

Lets take D2A as an example as I'm using it nowadays. First set Magellan to use Workbench screen to avoid useless screen opening (Settings->Environment->Display->Workbench:Use). Then you have to disable backdrop mode from Magellan (from pulldown menus Opus->Backdrop) and I'd recommend you to resize Magellan window as small as you can get it to avoid too much visibility in startup, and then save layout (Settings->Save layout). Now you can test to execute D2A to hide the window and doubleclick Ambient desktop if you can get Magellan lister up. If you want to start Magellan automatically when you run D2A, add to D2A's tooltypes: "DOPUS_COMMAND=Run DOpus5:DirectoryOpus DETACH QUIET". Then you can have it copied in WBStartup to be run on every boot.

As Ambient also has option to open its window with doubleclick on desktop, you can configure D2A open Magellan lister with middle mousebutton too. Then you can open easily either Ambient or Magellan lister. Enable D2A's tooltype "MIDDLE" for that.

You can have Magellan's buttonbanks, startmenus etc over Ambient even when Magellan's main window is hidden. And you can get into Magellan's menus whenever there's its lister activated. Global hotkeys, scripts and most of the stuff will work even when no Magellan windows are activated, but some features like Icon Positioning can't be brought though..

EDIT: hmh.. is there option to disable smileys or something? That one line containing : and D was messed up...

[redrumloa]

What I don't get is why these installation scripts never acted up like this in OS 3.9.

Eeer, change 3.9 to 2.0 in that statement and I can agree. By the time 3.9 came around I very often would have problems with install scripts, even with commercial software.
 
You also have to remember MorphOS 2.5 is what, 11 years newer than OS3.9? And really OS3.9 is just a bunch of patches for OS3.1, which is about 16+ years old? In PC terms that would be like trying to run Windows 3.11 era software on Windows 7.

[Crumb]

So far I got Magellan II working, but I have to assign it it's own WallPaper as I can't figure out which Prefs file to load in order to share Ambient's.

Also it does not seem to like Ambient's PNG icons. Is there a way to fix this?

try this:
http://jpv.wmhost.com/magellan2ambient/magellambient.lha
or this:
http://www.tbs-software.com/morgoth/files/d2a.lha

here you have an interesting guide written by jpv, it's from MorphOS1.4 era but I guess many things still apply:
http://jpv.wmhost.com/magellan2ambient/magellan2ambient-faq.html

[XDelusion]

@PVC: D2A actually, that's how I got Magellan to share the same screen as Ambient. Though I'm not sure what you mean by D2A's Tooltypes, as it appears to just be a file I drop in the Startup folder...
"add to D2A's tooltypes: "DOPUS_COMMAND=Run DOpus5irectoryOpus DETACH QUIET""

Also, if I turn off backdrop, then how can I resize Magellan to be in the smallest window, I'm confused.

[pVC]

@PVC: D2A actually, that's how I got Magellan to share the same screen as Ambient. Though I'm not sure what you mean by D2A's Tooltypes, as it's just a file I drop in the Startup folder...
"add to D2A's tooltypes: "DOPUS_COMMAND=Run DOpus5irectoryOpus DETACH QUIET""

Well.. it might be the default option too, so if it works straight away, fine.

But I guess you have used Amiga that much that you know what tooltypes are and how to check them?

Also, if I turn off backdrop, then how can I resize Magellan to be in the smallest window, I'm confused.

When window isn't backdrop, then it's visible with borders and thus resizeable. Just toggle the backdrop option and you'll notice

[XDelusion]

I was just about to come back and edit my replay. I've not messed with ToolTypes in a while and forgot that they were part of the ICON info.

In regards to the backdrop. So you are saying I should resize it and make it as small as possible before turning it off?

[pVC]

No, I'm saying turn it off (untick) and then resize it and save it and then don't do anything (except use D2A normally).

[kolla]

Why bother with DopusM

Ambient is pretty much all that Magellan was and then some .....

Not true.

[XDelusion]

Alright, I'm in business, except that D2A's patch says "No matching patches." when I run it, and the icons at the top of my directory listings are missing for some reason.

Also when I right click on a listing, it now scrolls down instead of bringing up the list of options like it did under AmiKit.

Last but not least, when I have a lister open and swtich to Icon mode, I  see PNG images icons again and can not gain acess to directories until I view the directory listing by name.