I don't get it.

[amiga92570]

It reminds me of an argument I had when I was about 7 with another kid, about which was superior, the A500 or the C64, he was adamant that he was right, yet I argued with him so much until, I think a teacher took me aside, and kind of said "what's the point in this?  do you really think you're going to change his opinion?".  For people to so regularly troll on threads with comments like "it's not a real Amiga, they can't have that name" (are they expecting the second coming with clouds parting and an idealisation of Commodore speak unto them?), or "it'll be a load of crap anyway", etc., makes me think that they haven't learnt a simple lesson or two that I learnt with I was SEVEN YEARS OLD.

64 was Better! :griping:

[ffastback]

Comparing is fine, ranting and flaming away over something you wouldn't have bought even if it came complete with "sex and free beer" seems a bit stupid.

This is sport for some people at this point.  And some people just love conflict.  And having an old nemisis involved in the project like Ben Hermans is just going to be irresistible to some as well.

[DAX]

You may want to sit and think about this: They state in a court of law, under oath that OS4 is a clean re-write, that it contains no OS3.1 code whatsoever. Then the moment they "win", state publicly that in fact it does contain the code they previously denied.

You do understand that that is perjury, right?

--edit--

Oh wait, this was DAX saying this. Nevermind.

the first part was just my hypothesis on what might have happened based on  dammy statement.
However since you seem so adamant, you should point me out the exact document where they stated under oath about 3.1 not being used. (i'll be waiting for this).
As for the second part they confirmed something along those lines at last year Amiwest after a direct question.

[Tension]

Remember, its not a hobby machine. They call it a developer machine. I guess they hope someone forks out the money and developes some terrific software to drive sales.

LOL.

God i'm so cynical these days.

[ffastback]

What I don't get the exclusivity some desire, especially but not exclusively on the red side. Some seem to think an ultra high price is a right of passage and keeping an ultra low user base is somehow a good thing. EVERYONE should want to grow all the communities, not run off prospective users.

Lets not forget though that even the SAM 440 was called too expensive by most.  Certain hobbies have a certain unavoidable cost of entry.  When I paid $500 for a used PegII (G3 mind you) intrinsically it was not worth $500.  But it was worth it to me for my hobby.  AOS has chosen the custom PPC hardware path, you can only grow that community with folks who have decent disposable incomes.  Meanwhile AROS does everything it can to be inclusive, and tons of people want no part of them because they follow the brand name slavishly.  And hence the ever present conflict.

[ffastback]

They watched, "Field of Dreams" and adopted it as their business model.  I have no clue on what they are thinking by introducing a high end system that the OS can't fully use in the worst economy in a generation, maybe in two generations.   Throw in a cult attitude plus very weak marketing capabilities and you have a makings of a great full blown disaster.

But lets be real Dammy, you LOVE that they have lined themselves up for this disaster.  Its not enough for you that they fail on their own.  You enjoy helping them along.

[ffastback]

Remember, its not a hobby machine. They call it a developer machine. I guess they hope someone forks out the money and developes some terrific software to drive sales.

I don't think they ever called it a developer machine.  Dammy spread that one around the forums.  A-EON then stepped in it big time by having the beta-tester program which mucked up things more.  There seems to be unanswered questions about whether these rev 2 boards will be the same boards sold to end users post-beta or not.

The better tag might be "beta boards" unless A-EON promises that the beta will not lead to a rev 3 board and that its instead all about software debugging.

Calling the machine a developer machine is plain silly anyway.  Any developer for AOS 4.x who is acting like a developer and not at the same time an AOS 4.x fan willing to spend anything is not going to spend this kind of money on a developer platform.  This is a hobby OS with a user base measured (at best) in the low thousands.  A true developer board for AOS 4.x should be more like a Beagle board class machine.

[djrikki]

@Csixx

What's not to understand? This happens almost everywhere in everyday life.

Mac & PC
Democrat & Republican
Ford & Chevy
etc..

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This is certainly not true across the rest of the world 99%. =P

[ajlwalker]

You may want to sit and think about this: They state in a court of law, under oath that OS4 is a clean re-write, that it contains no OS3.1 code whatsoever. Then the moment they "win", state publicly that in fact it does contain the code they previously denied.

You do understand that that is perjury, right?

--edit--

Oh wait, this was DAX saying this. Nevermind.

That was not my understanding.  At the moment we only have me saying one thoing and Dammy saying another.

The best thing would be for Dammy to link to the document he seems to have read.  I wouldn't know where to start to look.

The good news it seems that if I am right Dammy will concede this point.  Will others?

[Iggy]

@Csixx

What's not to understand? This happens almost everywhere in everyday life.

Mac & PC
Democrat & Republican
Ford & Chevy
etc..

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This is certainly not true across the rest of the world 99%. =P

Common on! Have you ever dealt with a British motorcycle or car fanatic? Its not like those things were well made, but don't try to convince them that their rides aren't the greatest thing ever created.

[cv643d]

Was not MorphOS supposed to be AmigaOS once upon a time?

Then someone tricked someone into not accepting MOS to be iluminated and become a member of 33 degree in the Amiga Source of the one real Amiga source of the creator of the Workbench.

No seriously, if MOS became AmigaOS we could all be enjoying AmigaOS on cheap second hand Macs now, maybe thats why there is a war in the Amiga world because growing the userbase is easier with 100 dollar hardware than 2000 dollar hardware.

Seriously MOS is almost the same as Workbench, it could very well become the next gen AmigaOS system.

[ffastback]

No seriously, if MOS became AmigaOS we could all be enjoying AmigaOS on cheap second hand Macs now, maybe thats why there is a war in the Amiga world because growing the userbase is easier with 100 dollar hardware than 2000 dollar hardware.

Whats wrong with enjoying MorphOS on cheap second-hands Macs now?  MorphOS does not have the Amiga name, so what?

[tone007]

Ants dig tunnels and forage for food, dogs chase their tails, pop stars make records, and some people use MorphOS and some people use AmigaOS.

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't make much of a difference.


..hey, that fly is drinking my beer. BBIAB.

[ffastback]

..hey, that fly is drinking my beer. BBIAB.

That reminds me of a great joke:

"One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer, and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink, held it out over the beer, and started yelling, "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT YOU BASTARD!!!!"

[klx300r]

@ ffastback

:roflmao:

[Iggy]

Seriously MOS is almost the same as Workbench, it could very well become the next gen AmigaOS system.

Actually, I've seen MorphOS set up to run Workbench. It's kind of pointless with Ambient and Scalos avalable, but it can be done.

The reason MorphOS users don't refer to it as an AmigaOS (even though the origanl version runs on PPC equipped Amigas) is that its a third party written OS designed to replace AmigaOS and super-cede it.

Hey! Wait a minute. Isn't that what AmigaOS4 is? Well they've got the license to call it Amiga, so we'll have to give them that.

I think I actually understand this now!

By presenting a biased view of their place in the community, they seek to promote their own particular preferences/projects.

That's interesting. I don't see much friction between MorphOS and AROS (in fact, some parts are related). And the only problem I have with AmigaOS users is when they start to pout when you point out that AmigaOS is slower then MorphOS.

Perhaps the reason MorphOS users are not as confrontational is that we can back up our claims. You can try the OS for free. Don't like it? Don't pay for a license.

We welcome all new Amiga related developments. As the community grows as a whole, we will all prosper. Frankly, I'd prefer if no one system became dominant.