I don't get it.

[koaftder]

Koft go back to moo bunny will ya?

Umm, no? Go "back" to moobunny? Amiga.org is where I roost. I've made a few dozen posts on the moo, 1600 posts here. I see you joined here in JUN 2010 and have 88 posts. Maybe you should crawl back to where ever you came from. Don't though, forums need meat.

[Golem!dk]

I'll tell you why

Or they have fond memories of what Amiga once was.

[DAX]

Umm, no? Go "back" to moobunny? Amiga.org is where I roost. I've made a few dozen posts on the moo, 1600 posts here. I see you joined here in JUN 2010 and have 88 posts. Maybe you should crawl back to where ever you came from. Don't though, forums need meat.

You know me koft, don't play dumb, and i indicated moo bunny as it fits you not based on post counts...

[Piru]

i indicated moo bunny as it fits you not based on post counts

Care to elaborate that?

[dammy]

I put it down to jealousy, if a new development occurs in one "camp" the opposing camp has to shoot holes through it to justify their position.

I wouldve thought any new development in Amiga-Amigaish technology (regardless of which camp) would be better than complete stagnation.

Perhaps people are so myopic they just cant see the bigger picture.

It's fascinating, in a morbid way.

Having a bit of competition between the multiple camps is a good thing, spurs on development of new products and code.   Now if you examine the multiple camps, most of them have looked to aim pricing around $200-$400 with hardware and OS.  One camp is charging double that for their low end and their high end goes for many times higher amount.  That makes the comparison of buck:bang ratio valid between the competing products and a significant loser is going to get a drumming on how poorly they do in that comparison.  Reason majority of them are going for cheapest route possible for their platform is economic conditions by aiming at a sweet spot where it's a reasonable purchase.

[dammy]

I just dont get it how these two companies, Hyperion and Aeon, plan to survive in this depressed worldwide economy, and generate revenue in a segment inside a niche market, with their current business plan.
Are they for real?

Perhaps there is some type of government sponsored bailout package they wish to apply for?  There has to be something beyond a few hundred mobo sales to do this investment over during these awful times.

[coldfish]

I think a few of the forum-ers hereabouts need to go out to a bar or pub and get in a real confrontation instead of sitting in their cozy bedroom simulating it on teh interwebs where it's "nice-n-safe"(tm).

Shhh...

...society is about to crumble.

[dammy]

I imagine thats why there's also cheaper OS4 systems available, even though nobody seems to realize this.

Define "cheaper."

[dammy]

I think a few of the forum-ers hereabouts need to go out to a bar or pub and get in a real confrontation instead of sitting in their cozy bedroom simulating it on teh interwebs where it's "nice-n-safe"(tm).

True, they may experience what real world pricing is like and what those products are capable of doing.  Amazing how technology has advanced and prices have dropped.

Shhh...

...society is about to crumble.

In Europe, I would say that is dangerously close over the next couple of years.  US is coming to it's own crossroad in the not too distant future.

[smerf]

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Karlos, I use Amiga emulation and MorphOS (plus I've played around with AROS and may dedicate another system to it as it matures). I too do not understand the unnecessary divisions between Amiga related camps.
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@Iggy.

Thats the problem with you. You just don't get it.
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When I make a positive comment or suggestion, frequently I get negative feedback.
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For people who just don't get it, it is rightly so
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When I make a critical comment or suggest a change, I'm often personally attacked.
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You make ssuggestions that are such nonsense of very important matters, you should be attacked. AND you still don't get it
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If I didn't already know that many of the people I'm dealing with are sharp, intelligent individuals with interests similar to mine, I'd be really offended by some of the rude treatment I've received lately.
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Now who in the intelligent community of Amiga Org would give rude comments to a person who just don't get it. We are all here to help.
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And its not just OS4, AROS or MorphOS, original Amiga users and Natami fanatics have been just as rabid.
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And for a person that just don't get it, who are you to accuse us of being rabid. Such manners from people seeking our intelligent help.
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Considering the similarities between systems and their common point of origin, you'd think  we'd be more unified.

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Well the majority of us are, it is just that people who just don't get it would think Amiga Org was such a mess and non unified.
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Have a nice Amiga day.

smerf

[mikeymike]

What's not to understand? This happens almost everywhere in everyday life.

What I don't get is that the trolls aren't interested in ever buying, let's say the X1000, yet they regularly return to say the same thing they've said before in most of their posts.

Admittedly I think there's a pretty small chance that I'll be buying an Amiga / Amiga-like thing at any point soon, partly because I just built a new PC, partly because my computer needs (apart from games) are pretty minimal, partly because I would have to get really passionate about a new product and its price and development state (the X1000 demo is what is on my mind here) to be reasonable, but I still hope that something will come which ticks the boxes I'm interested in, because I liked the original Amigas so much.

I don't frequent Amiga.org as often as I did about 4 years ago, partly because I feel it's mostly a waiting game for what I'm interested in.  So if I have so little to say because of my very-part-time interest, then what has someone who isn't ever going to buy, say an X1000 or its successors, got to say on such a regular basis?

It reminds me of an argument I had when I was about 7 with another kid, about which was superior, the A500 or the C64, he was adamant that he was right, yet I argued with him so much until, I think a teacher took me aside, and kind of said "what's the point in this?  do you really think you're going to change his opinion?".  For people to so regularly troll on threads with comments like "it's not a real Amiga, they can't have that name" (are they expecting the second coming with clouds parting and an idealisation of Commodore speak unto them?), or "it'll be a load of crap anyway", etc., makes me think that they haven't learnt a simple lesson or two that I learnt with I was SEVEN YEARS OLD.

[DAX]

Having a bit of competition between the multiple camps is a good thing, spurs on development of new products and code.   Now if you examine the multiple camps, most of them have looked to aim pricing around $200-$400 with hardware and OS.  One camp is charging double that for their low end and their high end goes for many times higher amount.  That makes the comparison of buck:bang ratio valid between the competing products and a significant loser is going to get a drumming on how poorly they do in that comparison.  Reason majority of them are going for cheapest route possible for their platform is economic conditions by aiming at a sweet spot where it's a reasonable purchase.

It all boils down to what you want, I might be willing to spend premium for a dedicated custom designed hardware made for AmigaOS (the AmigaOne X1000) while I wouldn't use an Open source OS on my sister dismissed PC, which would cost me nothing.
It is about what you are trying to offer, what its your vision for the future, those that care to run the official endeavor on dedicated machines don't mind the higher price, they simply find it a more dignified dimension for Amiga to be.
Of course everyone has its own opinion, it would seem that the above one is not much respected though and attacked continuously.

Get over it. Not everybody accepts Amiga as being a vagrant OS running on other's system scraps (no matter how cheap they are), and are willing to go out of their way for Amiga not to end like that. just respect this simple concept (instead of attacking it continuously) and we will all get along nicely.
I don't see AOS4 users attacking other paradigms on purpose, just when provoked.

[smerf]

people fighting over nothing is always stupid.

if this system fits your needs, get it. if it doesn't, find something else

it's that simple

Hi,

@ cecilia

Yes you get it.

The Amiga people have been fighting over nothing for the past  17 years, and that is just what every Amiga person has today is a bunch of nothing.

Lots of promises, lots of scattered BS, but nothing really stable except for Cloanto's Amiga Forever. OK it works, it plays all the old stuff because nothing new is comming out from the big companies. What could AF really support with some support?
What kind of graphics could it really have?
With a little support AF could have been the OS that made it on any platform, but Amiga eggheads couldn't decide on who or what to support and still can't today even with new hardware around the corner. I want this, I want that, and if I don't get it I don't want to play anymore. Sounds like a bunch of MAC users.

smerf

[takemehomegrandma]

I don't see AOS4 users attacking other paradigms on purpose, just when provoked.

You do it all the time yourself mr. DAX, you even did it a few times in this latest post of yours.

[mikeymike]

Not everybody accepts Amiga as being a vagrant OS running on other's system scraps

Don't you think this comment might be taken offensively by users of other platforms? (my emphasis)

I'm thinking of dusting off my moderation privs, there's certainly one other post in this thread that I would use it on.

[dammy]

It all boils down to what you want, I might be willing to spend premium for a dedicated custom designed hardware made for AmigaOS (the AmigaOne X1000) while I wouldn't use an Open source OS on my sister dismissed PC, which would cost me nothing.

Problem is the design might be custom, the hardware is off the shelf.  There is not one specialized chip on the mobo.   That would be like bragging over a customized x86 with parts dating back from 2007 (or earlier) is a uber specialized hardware platform to run whatever OS on it.  Now I do wonder where ACube's systems come into play since your not mentioning them, they can go pound sand since they are not only for OS4?

It is about what you are trying to offer, what its your vision for the future, those that care to run the official endeavor on dedicated machines don't mind the higher price, they simply find it a more dignified dimension for Amiga to be.
Of course everyone has its own opinion, it would seem that the above one is not much respected though and attacked continuously.

Not too many are attacking individuals who are going to purchase this monsterly expensive hardware.  The companies responsible for hype for this machine that the OS can not fully use, OTOH, is fair game IMO.

Get over it. Not everybody accepts Amiga as being a vagrant OS running on other's system scraps (no matter how cheap they are), and are willing to go out of their way for Amiga not to end like that. just respect this simple concept (instead of attacking it continuously) and we will all get along nicely.
I don't see AOS4 users attacking other paradigms on purpose, just when provoked.

I'm sure they would if they have a better bang:buck ratio they could brag about.