Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails

[the_leander]

As an alternative, NATAMI is your future.

Or by the same token - MiniMig.

[takemehomegrandma]

I was there.  They didn't actually announce a price; only hinted.

I didn't have to be there to be able to hear from that youtube video:

"It's going to be north of £1500. Definitely. It can't be any cheaper."

Meaning: It *will* cost more than £1500, €1800, $2230, it *can't* cost less.

Crystal clear to me, no vague assumptions to be seen anywhere. Only question is by *how much more* than this it will cost, and whether VAT is included or *added on the top* of this?

[runequester]

If you make a straight comparison on the following key areas...
 
Performance
Features
Amiga compatibility
Supported HW platforms (Price, Performance, "Bang for the Buck")
 
...you will see what I'm talking about. The first point, "performance", was covered in great detail by obligement.free.fr some time ago. Maybe it's time we compile detailed comparison charts for the other key areas as well? Could be done quite easily, and maybe that will help people as yourself to understand its redundancy...

and compare 3.x, 4.x, morph or aros to any "mainstream" OS whether win 7, 'nix, bsd or os x, and they all lose out in every possible regard as well.
 
So nyeh. Who cares ? Nobody (hopefully) is kidding themselves that anything amiga is remotely relevant today. We do it because its a fun hobby to tinker with.

[takemehomegrandma]

It appears that Ben Hermans is at his usual crisis management mode, claiming that the price will get reduced ("price shaving" as he put it).

Yeah, like choosing a smaller HDD and thus bringing the price down to €499...

[Tension]

If you want Amiga on x86, we already have that.  It's called AROS.

Can I run OctaMED on AROS then?

[halvliter'n]

I didn't have to be there to be able to hear from that youtube video:

"It's going to be north of £1500. Definitely. It can't be any cheaper."

Meaning: It *will* cost more than £1500, €1800, $2230, it *can't* cost less.

Crystal clear to me, no vague assumptions to be seen anywhere. Only question is by *how much more* than this it will cost, and whether VAT is included or *added on the top* of this?

LOL, what a stupid discussion.
Anyway, I will not go over 1500Euro that was suggested in the beginning so it looks like it might be a SAM460.

[dammy]

Can I run OctaMED on AROS then?

Yes if the latest beta JanusUAE is installed.

[takemehomegrandma]

and compare (*miga OS's) to (non-*miga OS's) they all lose out in every possible regard as well.

If what you are looking for is a *miga OS, then the non-*miga OS's aren't the slightest relevant.
 

So nyeh. Who cares ? Nobody (hopefully) is kidding themselves that anything amiga is remotely relevant today. We do it because its a fun hobby to tinker with.

Hey, I'm not the one having delusion of grandeur here, so maybe you should direct that to some other guys? (A great deal can be found at the sites amigaworld.net and amigans.net)

To me, this is purely a Hobby thing. What I want is the *miga OS with the best features, best performance, best Amiga compatibility at the best priced and best bang-for-the-buck ratio hardware. I want the best thing available within the *miga boundaries. Then it's a fun hobby to tinker with.

I *don't* want *less* features, *poorer* performance, *worse* Amiga compatibility, running on some 2007 level hardware costing about €1800-€2000. That is *less fun*, at a price range *totally out of reach*.

[takemehomegrandma]

LOL, what a stupid discussion.

Indeed.

[Tension]

Yes if the latest beta JanusUAE is installed.

So AROS has to run a UAE layer to make it work?  Doesn't sound very elegant to me.

[Lando]

I wish they'd follow Apple's example and announce hardware when it's actually ready and completed and show it running and tell us the price and have it available to order on their website the same day of the announcement.  Why is this so difficult?

It's just so amateurish and just reeks of incompetence as they miss deadline after deadline.  So, it would be out by summer now maybe christmas, maybe not.. ok, so what are you wasting our time for?  When you have a product that is ready to sell, come and show us it and tell us the price.  Then we can decide if we want to buy it or not.

Announcements of announcements of... oh, enough already.

[takemehomegrandma]

I wish they'd follow Apple's example and announce hardware when it's actually ready and completed and show it running and tell us the price and have it available to order on their website the same day of the announcement.  Why is this so difficult?

Half a year ago they banged the big drum about this, releasing snippets of info during several days to create a hype, and then ... nothing! Just a big void. Then they said "summer", and now they say "christmas". Ah well, it's not like a lot of people will be able to buy this anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter...

[runequester]

If what you are looking for is a *miga OS, then the non-*miga OS's aren't the slightest relevant.
 
 
 
Hey, I'm not the one having delusion of grandeur here, so maybe you should direct that to some other guys? (A great deal can be found at the sites amigaworld.net and amigans.net)
 
To me, this is purely a Hobby thing. What I want is the *miga OS with the best features, best performance, best Amiga compatibility at the best priced and best bang-for-the-buck ratio hardware. I want the best thing available within the *miga boundaries. Then it's a fun hobby to tinker with.
 
I *don't* want *less* features, *poorer* performance, *worse* Amiga compatibility, running on some 2007 level hardware costing about €1800-€2000. That is *less fun*, at a price range *totally out of reach*.

nah, I was kinda generalizing my response. Didn't mean to single you out mate. You seem to be pretty level headed about things.
 
I think everybody wants the same things ultimately, though I'll toss in the caveat that I want it to be on new hardware. Doesn't have to be super powerful, but I want new, rather than recycled/second hand.
 
Sometimes I wonder if they wouldn't be better off aiming at ARM rather than powerPC. Seems there's a lot of pretty cheap chips that can be had there, with decent power-for-cost.

[Amiga_Nut]

The last thing we need is ARM motherboards running OS4. G5 is fine, only the price is not. Why waste time porting to trumped up controller board CPUs totally unsuitable for top-end hardware?

The only two modern CPU options are IBM CELL/Xenon (for a semblance of PPC compatibility) or x86 and a reference design system with complete rewrite of OS4. Like it or lump it those are the only two modern CPU families worth a damn for 'new' hardware designs costing 4 figure sums.

The first thing the x1000 designers should have done is contact IBM to discuss their fantastic range of PPC compatible modern CPUs

[Amiga_Nut]

So AROS has to run a UAE layer to make it work?  Doesn't sound very elegant to me.

I may be wrong but any classic Amiga program that is linked to Paula/Agnus/Denise has to use some version of UAE on either AROS/MOS/OS4.

[runequester]

The last thing we need is ARM motherboards running OS4. G5 is fine, only the price is not. Why waste time porting to trumped up controller board CPUs totally unsuitable for top-end hardware?
 
The only two modern CPU options are IBM CELL/Xenon (for a semblance of PPC compatibility) or x86 and a reference design system with complete rewrite of OS4. Like it or lump it those are the only two modern CPU families worth a damn for 'new' hardware designs costing 4 figure sums.
 
The first thing the x1000 designers should have done is contact IBM to discuss their fantastic range of PPC compatible modern CPUs

well, we're not talking about top-end hardware. The various *miga (is that the new term? I like it) options all run on pretty modest hardware.
The benefit of ARM would be small designs which could give us all sorts of interesting compact machines, very low cost and easy accesibility.
 
x86 would be great too, but then, might as well just pour the development time and money into AROS to amp that up more.