The X1000 will be > $2,225

[DAX]

In name only my friend. There is nothing more "amiga" in HyperionOS than what's in MorphOS or AROS. The legal argument doesn't impress me and it has nothing to do with the product or it's design. If Amiga Inc licensed the name to a dildo manufacturer, would you have the same feelings about a dildo with a boing ball logo attached to it?

Even if you own a Mercedes 500SL and in a court case you settle to hand it over to your divorcing wife (let's say she is called Brenda),  the change in ownership doesn't turn the  car into a "Brenda 500SL" It will remain what it is, a Mecedes  500SL.  
AmigaOS is not called AmigaOS because it belonged to Amiga-Inc.  (Delaware or what not).
  Is like saying that since Commodore bought Miner and Morse company  than the OS became "CommodoreOS" as soon as a new version was made by  Commodore (ie:2.0/2.1/3.0) by other people not related to the original  Amiga group from the early 80s. (utter Nonesense).
 
 There is a Chronology, a Sourcecode, and the fact that the only evolution that original sourcecode (that dates back  many years) , is called AmigaOS4 and only Hyperion can developt it and sell it.

 AmigaOS is now in the  hands of Hyperion as it was in the hands of Amiga Inc before and as it  was in the hands of Commodore even earlier (all three were not the  original creators of the OS but they were entitled to further develop it and sell it in their due time).

[DAX]

So you choose to ignore what the people currently involved achieved in those years?

this can be interpreted in may ways, make a couple of examples please.

[Golem!dk]

this can be interpreted in may ways, make a couple of examples please.

No need to interpret anything, just look at what was done.

[DAX]

No need to interpret anything, just look at what was done.

As I said many times I loved my Amiga (vanilla A2000 bought in 1988 and then expanded with Gforce 040 DKB 2MBchipram and Picasso 2) as computer not as a gaming console. I know there were big mess ups in the past but I wouldn't be back if I didn't notice a chance of getting again a similar Amiga.

All I care for is to have competent Amiga computer system that helps me in my computing tasks while at home, we are not there yet (many things are missing), but I'm happy to support the project.
Hope it goes well and for the last several months, things went differently then in the past which points to "a change" (something that many here fail to realize).
Anyway we will all be here to see how it goes won't we?

[itix]

That's not completely correct, i've been around from 1988 till 1997 and now I'm back to stay, so we will live together future happenings  (and I will have to bear you guys dragging the past 10 years to the present all the time :lol:)

You left only few months before great things were promised to happen It really shows you only lived the best years of Commodore and few years after Commodore's demise when the community was still strong.

It all collapsed in years 1997-2000 when remaining Amiga companies collapsed, magazines ceased to exist and developers left. Virtually everything we have today has been created from ground zero. There was a time when every Amigan in the world didnt know each others...

[DAX]

You left only few months before great things were promised to happen It really shows you only lived the best years of Commodore and few years after Commodore's demise when the community was still strong.

It all collapsed in years 1997-2000 when remaining Amiga companies collapsed, magazines ceased to exist and developers left. Virtually everything we have today has been created from ground zero. There was a time when every Amigan in the world didnt know each others...

hard times I know, in Italy we had the last magazine (EnigmaAmigaMagazine) published and delivered to newsstands nation-wide until 2001 (got some back issues) and I see both big troubles (the gateway/qnx/Boxx fiascos just to name a few) and some good things, such as H&P still updating their AmigaWriter and ArtEffect sw ,not to mention some good games.
But then things got even worse, and I don't think anybody would love to see all that happening again.
At the moment I don't see it happening as Hyperion is in control of both SW and HW this time, Ainc was out of control in both cases.
I foresee a better outcome this time, but in case it goes like in the past, we will be able to say we lived this deja-vu together this time around.

[xeron]

In name only my friend. There is nothing more "amiga" in HyperionOS than what's in MorphOS or AROS.

Except that it *actually* *is* AmigaOS, and is a continued development from the OS that shipped with Commodore Amigas. But even if it wasn't, it wouldn't change the fact that legally it is the only OS allowed to be called AmigaOS.

BTW, my loyalty to OS4 is only down to the fact that i genuinely really like OS4. The two things are separate, i am merely stating the facts.

[Boudicca]

Except that it *actually* *is* AmigaOS, and is a continued development from the OS that shipped with Commodore Amigas. But even if it wasn't, it wouldn't change the fact that legally it is the only OS allowed to be called AmigaOS.

BTW, my loyalty to OS4 is only down to the fact that i genuinely really like OS4. The two things are separate, i am merely stating the facts.

Isn't still called Tripos !? Plenty trippin went on while they fleeced commodore to buy it.

[jorkany]

Except that it *actually* *is* AmigaOS, and is a continued development from the OS that shipped with Commodore Amigas. But even if it wasn't, it wouldn't change the fact that legally it is the only OS allowed to be called AmigaOS.

ExecSG is not a continued development and did not exist before the OS4 project began.

Of Intuition, Workbench, and the shell - only Hyperion really knows how much - if any - of the original code was actually used. The fact that much of it was written in 68K assembler really strains credibility that any of it was particularly useful, and Hyperion developers have said as much.

[desiv]

The fact that much of it was written in 68K assembler really strains credibility that any of it was particularly useful, and Hyperion developers have said as much.

I thought most of the OS was written in C?
The RKM hints at that:

Most of the Amiga operating system is written in C (with the rest written in 68000 assembly language), hence C is the language used for the programming examples.

desiv

[Golem!dk]

@desiv

To some people it might depend on the argument they're trying to make, please don't bring facts into this.

[koaftder]

Except that it *actually* *is* AmigaOS, and is a continued development from the OS that shipped with Commodore Amigas. But even if it wasn't, it wouldn't change the fact that legally it is the only OS allowed to be called AmigaOS.

BTW, my loyalty to OS4 is only down to the fact that i genuinely really like OS4. The two things are separate, i am merely stating the facts.

No it's not, it's a rewrite like the others.

[koaftder]

ExecSG is not a continued development and did not exist before the OS4 project began.

Of Intuition, Workbench, and the shell - only Hyperion really knows how much - if any - of the original code was actually used. The fact that much of it was written in 68K assembler really strains credibility that any of it was particularly useful, and Hyperion developers have said as much.

They probably didn't use any of it, what would be the point? Didn't Hyperion state some time ago that they reimplimented everything from scratch and didn't use any of the 3.x source code?

[Skyraker]

I haven't owned an Amiga since I sold my 4000 in the mid nineties but do check in a couple of times a week.

As much as i'd like a new one (and can afford £1500), it's just too expensive.

Great to see new hardware (& some innovation again) , but it harks back to the days when A2000's cost an arm and a leg.... the market has changed to the point that laptops & desktops are almost throwaway items.

We would have loved to have stocked this in the shop but it's not 1989 anymore.

Here's hoping they get their costs down and it becomes affordable.

[xeron]

No it's not, it's a rewrite like the others.

Yes it is. I know because I have access to the source code. Hyperion ported AmigaOS to PowerPC. While doing so, they replaced some components (like Exec), and enhanced others.

This is beside the point, though. Even if it was a rewrite, it would still be AmigaOS, just like MacOS X is MacOS because Apple say so.

[xeron]

ExecSG is not a continued development and did not exist before the OS4 project began.

Your point being?

Of Intuition, Workbench, and the shell - only Hyperion really knows how much - if any - of the original code was actually used.

I actually know! ;-)

The fact that much of it was written in 68K assembler really strains credibility that any of it was particularly useful, and Hyperion developers have said as much.

A lot of it was C. As I recall (and it wasn't secret), it required 3 different C compilers and an old Sun workstation to compile without changes in its original state, though.