How is OS4 ?

[takemehomegrandma]

@ runerequester

If you are willing to pay twice the price for a Mac mini so you get a warranty contract that says you will get a replacement in the unlikely case it breaks within two years, I am sure that can be arranged :-)

Hey, that sounds like a fool proof business idea! (provided there are enough "fools" )

You sell *one* Mac computer *at the price of 2*, you provide the anxious customer with a two year warranty slip, and as long as 100% of the sold Mac's doesn't break down within two years, you will make a profit!

And *it would still* be cheaper than OS4 hardware (and *run circles* around any Sam)!

[Karlos]

OS4 is merely a sub-standard substitute for MorphOS (that was here long before OS4 development was even started), with quite poor Amiga compatibility in comparison, so it always puzzles me how anyone *really interested in Amiga* would even consider OS4. The only reason I can think of is some strange brand following (which is the only thing you are interested in as shown by your posts here), which is kind of sad, especially considering it was kind of "robbed" from the IP-owner under miserable circumstances.

My god, this post is no different in tone than the worst BAF posts of old :roflmao:

The most reasonable "pro MorphOS" poster in this thread by far has been Piru, who thankfully, as one of the MorphOS core developers speaks with authority when discussing MorphOS. Anybody that actually wants to know more about it should really talk to him.

Unlike the few "cheerleaders" whose only comments about MorphOS are how it's "teh besterest amigaos evar" and "OS4 is teh suxx0r wannabe and worserer in every way!"

Really guys, I honestly thought we'd grown up in the last few years. You're a disappointment.

[drHirudo]

Provided that the company you bought it from actually still exists in two years, and they have the resources and will to actually honor the warranty. The companies you put your trust in aren't exactly Apple or Sony.

Apple is not producing PPC boards anymore. No AmigaOS runs on Sony hardware.

Acube does indeed seem to be very honest, and apparently they have really good customer care, possibly even as good as Genesi offered the Pegasos customers, at least when it comes to warranty issues. But as a micro-company selling very odd and specialized hardware in relatively small volumes, they can as well be gone in a year.

Most of the defects of electronics appear in the first several months. Many people took the risk and Acube is still there. Genesi is not going to produce PPC boards anymore.

Eyetech is an example of how it can go wrong. They were purely a marketing company with no in-house HW engineering competence of their own. They never acknowledged most of the flaws of their products (either they didn't know due to lack of competence, or they had no financial capability (since the problems were so *massive*), or simply no will), and after a while, they simply left the scene.

Eyetech produced AmigaOne boards. My microA1 works fine. Too bad they did not succeed with their risk.

"A-EON" is another HW marketing company. New, unknown, untried. They will sell a new, unknown, untried product. Nothing is known about their long term financial strength to deal with warranty claims in 1 year and 10 months (what if they will encounter the same massive problems with their HW that Eyetech did?), but they are asking for *pre-payments* to get going. Yet you say "but I will get a two year warranty".

A-EON have very reputable partners - AmigaKit, Hyperion, Varisys. If you don't trust A-EON, at least you can ask their partners, about A-EON. Other information you provide is just a wild guess, coming from nowhere, with agenda towards another hardware.

I find that amusing (and please continue reading).



Well, I don't think Apple is going anywhere, do you? And even if they would run out of spare parts, you would still be better off financially by simply buying another Mac if your first one breaks down, then you would be buying *a single* Sam.

Apple is not going to produce PPC computers anymore.

And the "X1000"? Well, many people here on this very forum reports how they are getting eMac's for $50-$100 a piece. That is complete 1.25 GHz G4 *systems* (including a built-in monitor). If the hinted prices of the "X1000" is correct, you can at least get 15-20 (or more) MorphOS capable systems (yes FIFTEEN TO TWENTY) for the price of *one* "X1000". That's the absurd price difference we are talking about! And I'd be damned if 20 computer dies on you within two years!

You can buy 20 E-Mac computers, and pray their capacitors don't leak on the motherboards. Apple will not respect this failure and will not repair it for free, because your E-Mac is older than 3 years. I would prefer the X1000, because I will put it on my 21 inch TFT monitor and enjoy AmigaOS. I can afford the extra price. I can not afford the extra space for storage of 20 E-Mac computers. Imagine the faces of people who see that you store 20 E-Mac computers as backup. As a plus, the X1000 is faster and better specced than E-Mac.

[DAX]

Hey, that sounds like a fool proof business idea! (provided there are enough "fools" )

You sell *one* Mac computer *at the price of 2*, you provide the anxious customer with a two year warranty slip, and as long as 100% of the sold Mac's doesn't break down within two years, you will make a profit!

And *it would still* be cheaper than OS4 hardware (and *run circles* around any Sam)!

Indeed and you can even get more if you compare the price with the used car I wanted to buy.
I remember my father once came home with a "bargain" he got at a local market, my mother said to him, "why did you get that for? We don't need it!" and him :" it was cheap"! and My mother with what you consider cheap we could have had 3 dinners at a restaurant and they would have been money spent way better!

You see it all boils down at what you want, what you desire, if you want to fork 250 eur for a MOS system (including the OS) that when you decide you want to upgrade to a new machine forces you to spend another 150 eur (and so on for all your HW upgrades), just to live your life scavenging Apple scraps more power to you.

For however slow performing the first Sams were, it was a beginning not an end (as a matter of fact the first slowest models are no longer available) and new faster ones will be out in the future, to a point where the slowest Sam will be faster than any Apple scrap, far better strategy in my opinion.

On the other hand there is the X1000, which the newly announced partnership with Varisys (who made the Nemo board) is clearly not even the last one they'll make (they hint at that in their press release).

So, while AmigaOS keeps on evolving on new HW, you get your cheap Apple scraps that leads nowhere, but then again if that makes you happy, forking 250 eur for that honor, is a very good thing, why not.

[xeron]

My god this thread is awful. I thought we'd grown up more than this by now...

FWIW, I prefer OS4 to MorphOS, but MorphOS is very good too.

[takemehomegrandma]

@TMHM

OS4 is basically the same as OS3.x and then complaint when a 3.x user tells you that they feel familiarity with OS4. Any user of OS3.x will notice AmigaOS4 IS what they are used to, running on PPC (I talk as an end user).

MorphOS is basically the same as OS3.x and 3.x users tells you that they feel familiarity with MorphOS. Any user of OS3.x will notice MorphOS IS what they are used to, running on PPC (I talk as an end user).

There are many testimonies from numerous sources over the last couple of years, by people installing MorphOS on a new partition of their Amiga's, boot it, and simply use the same applications (only the system friendly ones of course), files, etc. They didn't have to change much, they simply dual boot their Amiga's into *the very same* environment, no matter if they boots OS 3.1 or MorphOS! Other new MorphOS users simply pulled their HDD's out of their Amiga, inserted it in a Pegasos, and started use it just the same. It just works! Including dopus, Hyperion games (which is quite funny! , etc. At the same time OS4 users has to install specially recompiled OS4 versions of many programs, because the Amiga versions simply won't work. So don't come here talking about Amiga compatibility!

Moreover familiarity doesn't end there, to many Amiga is a boxed commercial home computer running the Amiga Operating System, and we will finally get that with the AmigaOne X1000.

I get it.

One can get about 10 (TEN) *complete* MorphOS systems, with OS registration fee *paid*, for the price of a single "X1000" mounted in some standard PC server case, running an OS that is slower than MorphOS, has less features than MorphOS, has worse Amiga compatibility than MorphOS, etc, all in all is *quite inferior* to MorphOS. And you actually advocate the latter, with the only reason that it will be called "AmigaONE" (not even "Amiga") and run an OS that is called "AmigaOS" (not even "Amiga OS").

What can I say? All rationality has left the building!

Boing! Boing!

[takemehomegrandma]

Have you actually read Dax' post? He was referring to my and Crumb's posts, not to his own ones!

I have read them all, as well as those from those people crying "foul" when they simply don't like the arguments(!) presented. My reply was directed to them all, not one post in particular.

[takemehomegrandma]

Indeed and you can even get more if you compare the price with the used car I wanted to buy.

Don't start talking about cars now, please...

You see it all boils down at what you want, what you desire

Of course, and that's my point. I'm just trying to figure out how anyone can desire something 1/2 as good at 10x the cost. The answer so far boils down to: A boing ball!

[takemehomegrandma]

@ xeron, karlos, etc

Hehe, "Foul! Foul! Can't some referee do something? These kind of discussions shouldn't be allowed! Take away those arguments! Do something!"...

[DAX]

Don't start talking about cars now, please...



Of course, and that's my point. I'm just trying to figure out how anyone can desire something 1/2 as good at 10x the cost. The answer so far boils down to: A boing ball!

Nahh, in my case is perspective, you see, as I said already people does not live under a rock and we all have our SnowLeopards and Win7 beasts.
Since I re-discovered Amiga was still alive I immediately imagined a future where a small but healthy niche of computer maniacs (ex-amigans) would enjoy new personal computers made for AmigaOS.
Might start with a 400Mhz Sam, but that crescendo leads to branded fully boxed machines running AmigaOS 5 on several cores on PCI-E3.0 mobos in 2015 (right now we are getting a Dual Core 64Bit cpu with PCI-E 16x, mid point, I might say).
Small steps at a time mind you, but I'm not in a hurry, as long as the road is the right one, I'll gladly enjoy the ride.

[Karlos]

@ xeron, karlos, etc

Hehe, "Foul! Foul! Can't some referee do something? These kind of discussions shouldn't be allowed! Take away those arguments! Do something!"...

Oh, do grow up. How old are you? This is not about MorphOS etc, it's about your behaviour on this thread.

Try to remember who you are talking to. We are all enthusiasts. Who actually gives a rats arse if one person prefers something over another? Being enthusiastic about something does not mean you have to trash everything else like some damned schoolkid.

We all understand that you find MorphOS better than OS4. Most of us also understand that MorphOS is a mature and well-realized evolution of AmigaOS. Who do you see disputing that? That's right, nobody. At least nobody that isn't just reacting directly you your continuous OS4 bashing.

The original poster was asking a question specifically about OS4. He's already asked about MorphOS previously. You posted on that thread too. Where were all the BAF trolls in that thread? Nowhere, because they've either all left or grown up. I'm not for people storming off of forums in a fit, but you might just try the latter.

Even when the OP thanked people for their responses but made it clear that he just wanted some info from OS4 users about what was "fun and cool" about it, you simply couldn't respect his wishes.

And now that you are being called out, you are crying the old "you just can't take the fact that MorphOS is better! boo! ban the discussion" persecution line. You really are no different to the BAF's of old.

You need to learn that some people, for whatever reason, prefer OS4 (as well as OS3.x, AROS etc) and not get an apoplectic fit over the fact that some do prefer OS4 and resorting to insulting them as irrational name followers and the like. After all, if someone decides to blow a huge wad on an X1000, it isn't your money they are spending, is it?

[Gulliver]

This thread reminds me of the old PowerUp vs WarpOS thread some years ago.

[zylesea]

... If the machine croaks,...

What I am always wondering with this kind of statement is whether I am very lucky or many other ppl are treating their hw badly.
I have computers now for more than 20 years. And I never ever got a hardware failure.
Not entirely true, to be precise I never ever got a *serious* hardware failure.

My most serious trouble in the last 20 years:
- Once I wrongly flashed a BlizzardPPC card, which needed fixing
- one hdd which became a bit unreliable (and got substituted)
- my 1997 SCSI CDR became unlielable after 8-10 years and got retired
- an usb pen drive failed
- an ide udma cable broke
- many floppy disks went bust in the later eighties and early nineties

With this track record I am not very afraid of hardware failures.

[Karlos]

With this track record I am not very afraid of hardware failures.

It really depends on the components that were used. It was alleged that in the late 90's, an employee of Rubycon (The Japanese component manufacturer, nothing to do with the exotic soft drinks company ) left and took the formulation of their capacitor electrolyte with him.

He subsequently sold the formulation to various Chinese companies but was unaware of the fact that the formulation he had was missing a few essential components that weren't documented (presumably to mitigate espionage) anywhere he had access to. Among these were anti corrosion compounds and the like. The result is that the electrolyte is not stable long term and results in internal corrosion and the build up of gases, that eventually pop the casing and leak.

Consequently, said Chinese firms started shipping cheap electrolytic capacitors that were bought up by electronics companies across the globe.

I've seen quite a few such dead caps in all kinds of hardware released from about 1998 onwards.

-edit-

As some of those bad caps were also Rubycon, it's possible the allegations above are not entirely correct and that that particular formulation was complete but bad regardless. It's not easy to say with certainty.

[the_leander]

This thread reminds me of the old PowerUp vs WarpOS thread some years ago.

Yeah, but those at least had the marginal benefit of being fresh and original. Not turgid rehashes of feted nonsense spewed over and over again by people who haven't yet worked out that the war is long over and that everyone lost.

[Karlos]

It's worth noting that some eMacs were among the machines affected by the "capacitor plague"

http://macosx.com/topics/emac-capacitors.html