How is OS4 ?

[gazgod]

From reports everywhere Sam's 800Mhz version run faster than the 667Mhz EP even with no cache at all, but you might be happy to know that the faster CPU in the 460EX DOES have L1+L2  cache (all the better).

@DAX

I fail to see your point.

Of coarse the 800 is faster than 667. Its simple maths. But a slightly faster slow cpu is still a slow cpu.

The 460 isn't for sale yet so its performance is just speculation.

Maybe I've been spoilt but to me its all about the feeling I get when I use an OS. When you own multiple machines running similar OS's Its difficult not to compare them, but ultimately I found I would rather use 3.9 on my classics than OS4  on the Sam (granted my 2 main classics both have 060's) and Morphos on my 1 gig Peg 2 is way out in front as my machine of choice.
I not someone who goes for cpu speed at all costs, I have here a 1.5 Gig G4 mini which I bought new when the Intel version was released, I keep considering putting Morphos on it but my peg is great for my needs.

I wonder if you tried any of the alternatives before putting your cross and sizeable AWN post count behind Sam and OS4?

Gaz

[takemehomegrandma]

@DAX

I wonder if you tried any of the alternatives before putting your cross and sizeable AWN post count behind Sam and OS4?

Obviously not!

[redrumloa]

@Piru
I don't think that keep on doing heavy OT even after a moderator politely asked to quit it is part of the TOS

@TMHM
Don't get too exited, i hate OTs and if you check my post count (VS registration date) at AW, you might realize I don't skimp on replies

Moderating for going OT is that area where a moderator can never win. Personally it seems going OT is inevitable and moderating due to it would simply make the moderator get labeled "Hitler" as I have been labeled in the past.

If another moderator feels this thread should be moderated, I would support it. So far I don't see enough to moderate it, without pissing everyone off.

[DAX]

@takemehomegrandma @gazgod
I like my Sam,  I got it in place of a 060 accelerator board for the A2000 and I'm quite happy I did, BUT it is a "meantime" step I took because i wanted to re-acquaint myself with a world i left so many years ago.

That said, I went to a fair and all flavors were shown there (Guruman showed me MOS and Paolone showed me Icaros) but you seem to forget that I don't come from the desert, I do own a powerful Dell XPS, but I also remembered fondly my Amiga times.

Since I own(complete set of disks, manuals, and kick rom) AmigaOS 1.3, 2.1, 3.1, I found my home/familiarity immediately in AmigaOS4.1 and asked myself if there was a future for it.

Then there was the settlement, than the X1000 announcement the rest is history.

I see the chance of getting back at having Amiga (as in "fully boxed computer tailored around the Amiga operating System") as my home computer again and I am willing to support its growth.

As I said, I come from the Commodore days and when I came back last year, I didn't even know MOS or AROS existed, and since my favorite OS is still alive and kicking I don't feel the need for any substitute, nor the need for running away from it, searching for "features".
As i said I don't come from the desert, and I use both my Amiga (a lot) and my PC (bleeding edge stuff) it's all fun

[gazgod]

@takemehomegrandma @gazgod
As I said, I come from the commodore days and when i came back I didn't even know MOS or AROS existed, since my favorite OS is still alive and kicking I don't need substitutes,nor running away from it searching for features (or lack thereof compared to my PC) until AmigaOS adds them one by one, I have plenty of them on my powerful Win7 beast.

So you just got behind the flag of the ONE TRUE AMIGA then, I figured as much.

You do realise that the only thing that OS4 has over the other alternatives is the name? They are all an interpretation and reimplementation of Commodores Amiga OS, nothing more.

While its refreshing to see some people coming back to the hobby, a hobby is all the Amiga is in any of its incarnations or clones. Telling every one that OS4 is the best when you have no real experience of the alternatives make my blood boil. I am a believer that you cannot know ANY OS until you've lived with it, fought it, sworn at it and maybe forgiven it.

[DAX]

So you just got behind the flag of the ONE TRUE AMIGA then, I figured as much.

You do realise that the only thing that OS4 has over the other alternatives is the name? They are all an interpretation and reimplementation of Commodores Amiga OS, nothing more.

While its refreshing to see some people coming back to the hobby, a hobby is all the Amiga is in any of its incarnations or clones. Telling every one that OS4 is the best when you have no real experience of the alternatives make my blood boil. I am a believer that you cannot know ANY OS until you've lived with it, fought it, sworn at it and maybe forgiven it.

Actually I feel familiarity with AmigaOS4 something i felt a little with Icaros (I have it here) and very little with Mos (shown to me by a very kind and capable person mind you).
But please don't talk as if I am the only one feeling like this, you know there are many that simply like to think of Amiga as fully boxed home computer tailored around AmigaOS, and if it's not "all Commodorish" as you say, well, it still way closer to that definition than anything else in both feel and practicality (X1000)

[kolla]

I am a believer that you cannot know ANY OS until you've lived with it, fought it, sworn at it and maybe forgiven it.

You are a woss if you have not installed or upgrader MorphOS manually file by file, or at least fixed MOSSYS:s/startup-sequence so it looks less like a rip-off of OS3.1 startup-sequence, removed all the redundant >NIL: occurances etc. And screw that "though shalt not touch MOSSYS:" mantra - seriously, anyone who follows that might just as well use windows or macos instead.

Oh, and I almost forgot: MorpOS blows.

[the_leander]

What's a "woss"? :p

[Karlos]

What's a "woss"? :p

[Fab]

Actually I feel familiarity with AmigaOS4 something i felt a little with Icaros (I have it here) and very little with Mos (shown to me by a very kind and capable person mind you).

This kind of statement looks really amazing to me. I know you said "feel", but could you give any argument to explain that feeling?

(all the more amazing when it's actually OS4 that introduces all kind of non amiga-like and unsuited concepts)

[Crumb]

you are too much biased  (and probably short in memory) to understand that i already tryed everything to make Morphos 1.4.5 "useable" on classic (FYI i'm one of the few who got up and running AmigaOS3.9-Morphos 1.4.5 and AmigaOS4 on my CSPPC-CVPPC and helped others users to fix variuos issues when 1.4.5 was released).

Sure, I remember old threads but there's nothing that requires special skills in making OS39/OS4/MOS work in the same hardware. I made the first MorphOS1.4.5 version work on a G-Rex 4000 and some time before OS4 Classic was released I convinced the Friedens to add an option so G-Rex would be ignored (so the user had the chance to use a ZorroIII gfx card -including Mediator or Prometheus- in addition to the G-Rex). Later Frank Mariak listened to the users like me that asked CV64/CV3D/PicassoIV support and he added it so I could test more hardware.

I also helped users to install both MorphOS and AmigaOS4 and even did a small install guide txt to install MorphOS powerup.

In addition to that I installed both OS4 & MorphOS on a pair of A1200 with Permedia2

When you boot OOTB MorphOS or OS4 just drag a window. On MorphOS it's silky smooth and on OS4 it's not (I'm talking about Permedia2, CV64, CV3D, PicassoIV and Voodoo3). If you adjust MUI skins and disable delays MorphOS flies (even if you compare it to OS4.x with basic OS3.x skin)

As a disadvantage you have to add that A1200 OS4 version doesn't have scsi support.

I also tested OS4 with RetinaZ3, Algor, Highway, Norway, Prometheus, Toccata, ConciertoIV, X-Surf...

Your not speaking with a newbie, so please refrain to insist with that "you must have some configuration problem in you MorphOS instal" because it is simply not true. Thanks!

You haven't stated which Ambient/MUI versions you are using or if your binaries are stripped. You haven't stated your settings either. I'll repeat: you must have some configuration problem because using modern Ambient and MUI4 it should go faster (at least all systems I have configured run faster than the same system with OS4).

[Karlos]

If another moderator feels this thread should be moderated, I would support it. So far I don't see enough to moderate it, without pissing everyone off.

I sincerely thought the days of red v blue penis measuring on the site were a thing of the past, gone with those that went away and created their own niche forums.

[tone007]

Alright, alright, get your red and blue prophylactics...

[the_leander]

I sincerely thought the days of red v blue penis measuring on the site were a thing of the past, gone with those that went away and created their own niche forums.

Kids eh? !

[Tomas]

from those who use it, or have in the past, how is amiga OS4 ?

Whats cool and fun ?

Alot better than classic AmigaOS in my experience.
It is still as responsive, but looks alot more modern, has more features and is much more stable in my experience. OS4.1 pre update 2 was a different story in my experience though.

[redfox]

@runequester

I am responding to your original post in this thread.

I have an A2000HD with AmigaOS 3.1 and a MicroA1 with AmigaOS 4.1 Update 2.

My Amiga 2000HD is almost 20 years old.  It has a 68000 CPU (no accelerator card), 5 megs of RAM, 40 MB SCSI hard drive, a second smaller SCSI hard drive, a SCSI CD-ROM drive, and a MicroWay flickerfixer card.  Running AmigaOS 3.1 with very little eye candy.

My MicroA1-C has an IBM PowerPC 750 GX CPU, 256 MB of RAM, Radeon 7000 with 32 MB video RAM, hard drive, DVD-ROM combo drive, ethernet port, and USB ports.  Currently running AmigaOS 4.1 Update 2.

Back in 2004, I upgraded from my A2000HD with AmigaOS 3.1 directly to my MicroA1 with AmigaOS4.  I had never used OS 3.5 or OS 3.9 or any of the associated eye candy.  Even in those early days of OS4, I was quite impressed by the variety of options available.  OS4 was familiar and yet way more colourful than my OS 3.1 installation.  I was also able to use many 68K programs that I had never been able to use on my A2000HD, as well as the PPC programs that were available for OS4.

I am currently running AmigaOS 4.1 Update 2 on my MicroA1.  I use OWB, NetSurf, Timberwolf, Final Writer 97, PPaint, TVPaint, DvPlayer, AmiPDF reader, NotePad, AmigaAMP, TuneNet, WarpView, KingCON.  I also have Real3D and CinnamonWriter.  I used IBrowse and AWeb until recently.  I have E-UAE for some really old programs that require OS 3.1 or the classic chipset.

I like OS4.  I have not tried the other available flavours, so I don't know how they contrast or compare.

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redfox