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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #104 on: June 17, 2010, 01:12:45 PM »
I would probably be running MorphOS before now along side my other Amigas, but this constant hijacking of threads and the negitive and nasty sales tactics from some of it's supporters means it's doubtful I would touch it.
 

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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #105 on: June 17, 2010, 01:17:57 PM »
To counter the rose-tinted view of OS4 submited here, here is a link to a post I made about my opinions of Sam ownership, It was made some time ago but from what i can see is very little has changed except the available cpu's are slightly faster.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=521419&postcount=17

I still haven't bought OS4 for my Peg and really can't see the point. I've tried very hard to like OS4, not only did i by the Sam, I previously bought (and subsequently sold) it for classic. I'd much rather use 3.9 or Morphos (at least I can use USB2 on those).


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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #106 on: June 17, 2010, 01:23:12 PM »
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I would probably be running MorphOS before now along side my other Amigas, but this constant hijacking of threads and the negitive and nasty sales tactics from some of it's supporters means it's doubtful I would touch it.


You should always judge a system on it's own merits. There are cheerleaders in pretty much every OS camp. If you paid any attention to any of them, you'd end up not wanting to use any of them.
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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #107 on: June 17, 2010, 01:25:14 PM »
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You should always judge a system on it's own merits. There are cheerleaders in pretty much every OS camp. If you paid any attention to any of them, you'd end up not wanting to use any of them.


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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #108 on: June 17, 2010, 01:29:39 PM »
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You should always judge a system on it's own merits. There are cheerleaders in pretty much every OS camp. If you paid any attention to any of them, you'd end up not wanting to use any of them.


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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #109 on: June 17, 2010, 01:33:00 PM »
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I*used MorphOS since the first release and also OS4 (years before it was released and years after it was released) and you must have some configuration problem in you MorphOS install because it's faster than OS4 in almost everything. I have used it with Permedia2, G-Rex+Voodoo3, PicassoIV, CV3D and CV64 and gfx were always faster in MorphOS. You can install more recent Ambient builds and also WB, but MorphOS always works faster. No just in my machine but also in my friends ones. Gfx, 68k emulation, I/O, response speed... all is faster with MorphOS. The only missing stuff from 1.4.5 is the tcp/ip stack but you can install mosnet/miamidx/Genesis... even some OS4 beta components like Roadshow 68k ;-)


you are too much biased  (and probably short in memory) to understand that i already tryed everything to make Morphos 1.4.5 "useable" on classic (FYI i'm one of the few who got up and running AmigaOS3.9-Morphos 1.4.5 and AmigaOS4 on my CSPPC-CVPPC and helped others users to fix variuos issues when 1.4.5 was released).

Your not speaking with a newbie, so please refrain to insist with that "you must have some configuration problem in you MorphOS instal" because it is simply not true. Thanks!
 

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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #110 on: June 17, 2010, 01:50:17 PM »
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Well I bought a SamFlex (1GB ram/128Mb Radeon 9250) when you wrote that piece, and comparing the experience I had of that Beta version of 4.1 and today's Update 2 it is more or less night and day.

OWB was slower, less featured and crashed a lot (3.28 is Rock Solid and faster) UAE before a serious settings analysis and before a Sam specific version (and RunInUae), seemed unusable, now I run the big majority of A500 games 1:1 (read here), DVDs play better, usability and stability, graphical appeal, all has improved a ton.

Consider also that 533 and 667Mhz are no longer available and very soon the only Sam you will be able to buy will be the 460EX with L2 cache and 1.0Ghz clockspeed (as usual A-cube will factory overclock the best samples worry not, probably to 1.2Ghz as they mentioned they had a sample with that clock in the past).
 

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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #111 on: June 17, 2010, 02:03:16 PM »
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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #112 on: June 17, 2010, 02:11:18 PM »
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I would probably be running MorphOS before now along side my other Amigas, but this constant hijacking of threads and the negitive and nasty sales tactics from some of it's supporters means it's doubtful I would touch it.

You should use what you want to use and it should not be based on what some end user is posting in some open discussion forum. Every platform has it's rabid advocates. Would you not use any Apple products just because some Mac users are the some of the most rabid platform fans in the world?
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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #113 on: June 17, 2010, 02:39:01 PM »
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MorphOS users are just as the aggressive sellers running along the streets and selling fake or stolen goods. :D


+1   Its sad to see so desperate people.
 

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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #114 on: June 17, 2010, 02:39:07 PM »
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You should use what you want to use and it should not be based on what some end user is posting in some open discussion forum. Every platform has it's rabid advocates. Would you not use any Apple products just because some Mac users are the some of the most rabid platform fans in the world?

People's behavior can change someone's mind.

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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #115 on: June 17, 2010, 02:47:20 PM »
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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #116 on: June 17, 2010, 02:54:53 PM »
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like I've said for many many years actual AmigaOS the real deal doesn't need any others...

I agree completely, OS3.x running on a real Amiga is still the best!
 

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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #117 on: June 17, 2010, 02:56:08 PM »
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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #118 on: June 17, 2010, 04:12:04 PM »
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What make you say that's quick and dirty? By how stable it is, by its number of feature?

I would say that quick'n'dirty ports feel alien (like running X11 apps through cygwin on Windows), are more unstable that native ports, feel unfinished and integrate badly with the host OS (like Cygnix X11 stuff)

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And yet it's so far the best software on OS4 to e.g. download videos and mp3s from many sites. I find it funny that you imply that it's not usable at all.

Do you really call "useable" and "polished" having to use windows keyboard shortcuts to select menu options because GUI doesn't respond to mouse events...

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And by taking away all the SDL and Unix ports I should realise that every SDL port made for OS4 needed no change to the makefile, or it was derived from MOS? How do you make that connection?

You should realise that most PPC software is just a collection of SDL/CLI unix ports that usually run better in posix platforms. In case port is not easy to do it's common practice to take MorphOS code: MPlayer, BasiliskII, Freespace2 and others...

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What I see from his question is just "how is OS4", I don't read it as a "please tell me what's the best Amiga environment out there".

It's normal, just like if you ask me if Dunlop tires are good and I reply you that I prefer pirelli ones

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Well, it's just a matter of reference. I could also say that x86 PCs are not produced since they are being produced since only around 30 years which is nothing compared to 2000 years of no PC being produced. But if you choose a reference which is different you really can't continue a discussion.

Since Efikas are being sold new with its 2 years of warranty and Sam440 has just been produced in small batches and is not produced continuously (I doubt they produce any now that Sam460 is planned) they have the same status now: sold new with warranty but not produced actively.

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But Sams are more powerful than Efikas, so the increase in price can be justified. And besides, MOS is anyway OT here.

Price increase can not be justified because a machine produced for the same small market 5 years ago costed the same and it's named Pegasos2/G4. Both run OS4 and The old 5 years-old machine is faster. Quite sad if you ask me.

Sam's advantages are shaded by OS4 (lack of) features: USB works slower than Efika and 3D is probably slower too despiting higher clockrate. It has more ram and faster HD access but I'm not sure I want to pay 450Euros to get a system marginally better.

Sam G2 cpu technology is obsolete and not many customers would expect having to pay 500Euros for it.

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This doesn't help much since OS4 doesn't run on Efika.

But MorphOS does and it runs classic software probably better than 533-600Mhz Sams.

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Well, you proposed a comparation between OS4 and MOS machines, I guess it's your turn to compare them too.

Obligement.free.fr has some nice benchmarks.

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Wow, so you're implying I didn't want to get my AmigaOne?

I'm implying most of people paid large sums of money for A1 and specially Sam440 because it ran OS4, otherwise the hardware would have been rejected and they would have bought better hardware like Pegasos2 or Mac Mini.

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What is the problem with these?

There's no problem with wanting new hardware, the problem is releasing hardware both more expensive and slower than the hardware released 5 years ago for your own market.

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So, "hackish" = "you don't like".

hackish means using an embedded cpu and selling it in a desktop motherboard with limitations you would never expect in a motherbaord like having just ONE SATA that gets disabled if you fit a PCI-e card.

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Ok, so now you're saying that a Sam460 might not be worse that a Pegasos2 G4. I agree with that.

I'm saying that it will probably be worse in many aspects.

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No, my idea of new is something that hasn't been produced years ago and that has no valid warranty. BTW where did you read that Sams are "prototypes" and "hardly tested"?

All A1s are Teron prototypes hardly tested. Sams hardware looks better although it's obvious that it has not been tested as deeply as big companies like Apple test its hardware.

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That's the point... *you* prefer. That's different that saying that for OS4 users Peg2 are a better choice than Sams.

Other betatesters and users who sold their (u)A1s to buy Peg2/G4 instead of Sam440 may not agree with you.

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And yet me and other people find it to be useful even if it's alpha.

I guess it's the same people who's happy using alien x11 ports on their "Amigas"

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Re: How is OS4 ?
« Reply #119 from previous page: June 17, 2010, 04:21:21 PM »
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from those who use it, or have in the past, how is amiga OS4 ?

Whats cool and fun ?

Well, if you have experience with AmigaOS 3.x, here are some of the features that I love in AmigaOS 4 and reasons for not looking back at the classic Amigas:

AmigaOS 4 advantages

1. No boot partition size limit. No more 4GB partition Hard Disk limit crap. I know this was fixed with some patches in AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9, but if you needed to boot without Startup-Sequence, it can destroy your boot partition if it is bigger than 4GB. I know a friend who had 24 partitions in a 100GB hard drive. Painful to sort.
2. No more FastFileSystem crap. You can use SFS for boot partition on AmigaOS 4. AmigaOS 4.1 have the nice JXFilesystem. I never ever lost a file with JXFilesystem. I lost some files with the SFS, but I easily recovered them. With FastFileSystem, I lost lots of files during the years. Validation gives me headaches, because I don't know what file is truncated after it.
3. Virtual Memory. No more usage of simple and dangerous to the system MMU hacks. Virtual Memory is presented and built-in and I use it a lot, since my Amiga is only 256 MB RAM. But even if I had 10GB of RAM I still would write movies to RAM: and watch them from there and if I forget about them in the RAM. Having SWAP: is a nice feature.
4. No more need for third party software to connect to the Internet. With AmigaOS 3.1 you need something like Miami, which you can not register anymore. Good luck with the limited demo for 30 minutes. NetConnect was not working good with me on my Amiga 4000.
5. ASL requester with the possibility to sort with a single click. I open many files very often. With big directories, the old ASL was a pain for finding files. Now with a single click I sort by Name, Size, Date. Selecting files now is much easier and fun.
6. No more need for second monitor if you are with graphics card and want to play old games or something goes wrong at bootup. The RTG system is built-in, you don't need to search for patches for specific graphics card.
7. GrimReaper - if a program is not stripped, the Grim tells a lot about the reasons for the message to appear. This is very handy for developers. On AmigaOS 3.9 I used MMULib/MuTools and MuForce (Enforcer alike program), but the GRIM is much much better.
8. Very good SDK. I used a lot VBCC on AmigaOS 3.9. I still use it on AmigaOS 4, now compiling for AmigaOS 3 and 4. But the AmigaOS 4.x have many more libraries included, which were pain to install with AmigaOS 3.9.
9. AmigaInput - now I can play games with wide variety of joysticks. I can configure the buttons to my liking, I can set the threshold for the analog paddles. In AmigaOS 3.9, the support for Joysticks with several buttons is limited.
10. No more need to put commodities and programs in WBStartup and manage AmigaOS startup with hacks like WBStartup/Enabled and WBStartup/Disabled or similar. The new startup modules management is very nice.
11. Notification system. Not much talked about and discussed feature of AmigaOS 4, but I like when tunes names popup when listening to online radio. It can have many other uses like notification for downloaded files, new e-mail etc...
12. SObjects - shared objects. Some programs use them. Additional plus of AmigaOS 4.
13. AmiUpdate. No more need for manual search for updates. Many programs are already in AmiUpdate.
14. System RollBack - part of AmiUpdate, where you can roll back to old system.
15. AHI is a standart. No more need to mix the Paula out and the audio card out if you want to use a single audio output.

The list can go on and on. But I will leave it to other AmigaOS 4 users to add more features they love of AmigaOS 4 over AmigaOS 3.
Hope this helps. If you are familiar with AmigaOS, you will love AmigaOS 4.
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