How is OS4 ?

[Varthall]

And someone told him that no matter how fun OS4 might be, MorphOS will be *ahelluvalot more* fun, since it's essentially the same thing only a lot better and more competent, and you know what - He was absolutely right!

And possibly he didn't wanted a detailed description of only the negative parts of OS4 compared to MOS, but just to know "how fun OS4 is".

Varthall

[Norway]

I'd just say that bashing the firefox port at this stage is a bit silly. It's still in the alpha stage. When it's at least beta, then let's see how it stacks up.

As it stands, I expected it to be a lot worse than it is. I've not actually had it crash yet. The main issues on my machine seem to be based around the user interface, rather than anything else.

Bashing, downtalking = Mos users

[Piru]

Check again the context where I have used the word "plug-in", and see if its meaning was meant to be about "NSAPI plugins" or a more generic use of "plug-in" as in "software add-on".

It helps to use the correct terms.

But yeah OWB for MorphOS does offer some extensions such as "userscript manager". It's greasemonkey-like (javascript to modify webpages on the fly). Very useful stuff, it can be used to perform all kind of useful tricks, such as fixing the ever changing youtube full screen mode.

OWB also has a Web Inspector extension functionality which is very useful when writing your own web pages.

Adblock extension functionality is built-in as well.

Which leaves exactly one extension that I'd like to have, but which isn't really essential: Tamper Data.

As for downloading stuff: OWB does just fine with the Download manager (built-in). I understand OS4 users though, download manager must seem very advanced technology considering OS4 OWB still doesn't include one (?).

[runequester]

Thanks for all the information.
I have no interest in Morph at this time though, so can we please return the conversation to OS 4 ?

[takemehomegrandma]

I'd just say that bashing the firefox port at this stage is a bit silly. It's still in the alpha stage.

And so is praising it at this early alpha stage...

When it's at least beta, then let's see how it stacks up.

Indeed!

[tone007]

Thanks for all the information.
I have no interest in Morph at this time though, so can we please return the conversation to OS 4 ?

There's only one way to answer your question of "How is OS4?", and that's try it.

Opinions are like anuses, everyone's got one and they all stink!

[takemehomegrandma]

Thanks for all the information.
I have no interest in Morph at this time though, so can we please return the conversation to OS 4 ?

Fine by me.

You should buy some OS4 enabled hardware and then buy OS4 and try it out yourself, it's the only way to really find out how fun it is all in all.

Good luck!

[Varthall]

It helps to use the correct terms.

Not in this case, since it was easy to understand what that term was referring to, so it was unnecessary to suggest an interpretation which was in contrast with the context.

But yeah OWB for MorphOS does offer some extensions such as "userscript manager". It's greasemonkey-like (javascript to modify webpages on the fly). Very useful stuff, it can be used to perform all kind of useful tricks, such as fixing the ever changing youtube full screen mode.

OWB also has a Web Inspector extension functionality which is very useful when writing your own web pages.

Adblock extension functionality is built-in as well.

Still I don't think that it reaches the number, and the immediate availability of useful add-ons for Firefox to make a port of firefox not worth.

Which leaves exactly one extension that I'd like to have, but which isn't really essential: Tamper Data.

Many other users have many wishes, e.g. OWB for MOS doesn't have the plug-in I use on Timberwolf.

As for downloading stuff: OWB does just fine with the Download manager (built-in). I understand OS4 users though, download manager must seem very advanced technology considering OS4 OWB still doesn't include one (?).

Does that mean that OWB has all the functions available on DownloadHelper integrated, i.e. supporting the download of video and audio from the same number of supported sites, and optional on the fly video-video or video-audio conversion?

Varthall

[Varthall]

And so is praising it at this early alpha stage...

Well, thanks to it I can do one thing now that previously I couldn't on OS4... why shouldn't I praise it?

Varthall

[Varthall]

Thanks for all the information.
I have no interest in Morph at this time though, so can we please return the conversation to OS 4 ?

I wonder what Crumb will say now, after implying all the time that runequester's question justified an OS4 - MOS comparison choosing only the negative aspects of OS4.

Varthall

[itix]

Well, thanks to it I can do one thing now that previously I couldn't on OS4... why shouldn't I praise it?

Varthall

Out of interest, what is it? :-)

[Fab]

Does that mean that OWB has all the functions available on DownloadHelper integrated, i.e. supporting the download of video and audio from the same number of supported sites, and optional on the fly video-video or video-audio conversion?

That's basically what something like getvideo does. And getvideo can be integrated very easily to OWB in contextmenus.

I had a look at that downloadhelper extension for firefox, and I can't help but noticing the large proportion of supported adult sites ....

[Karlos]

Out of interest, what is it? :-)

Use a gecko based browser, I assume.

[Piru]

Still I don't think that it reaches the number, and the immediate availability of useful add-ons for Firefox to make a port of firefox not worth.

I use Iceweasel on Debian GNU/Linux and Firefox on Mac OS X daily. There are no extensions that I'd need for the OWB. The most important extensions (adblock, web inspector, greasemonkey) are already covered. Obviously this is personal taste and need, there's no denying that Firefox has an extensive add-on library. I just can't think of any of them I'd need desperately.

Many other users have many wishes, e.g. OWB for MOS doesn't have the plug-in I use on Timberwolf.

Quite possibly. My imagination is too narrow though ;-)

Does that mean that OWB has all the functions available on DownloadHelper integrated, i.e. supporting the download of video and audio from the same number of supported sites, and optional on the fly video-video or video-audio conversion?

Not that I know of. [EDIT] But as Fab says getvideo could easily be added to context menu [/EDIT]

Then again OS4 Timberwolf requires some work to be actually useful as the daily browser. And even if it does reach maturity at some point it still lacks basic features such as flash.

Meanwhile MorphOS users can enjoy full experience with a mature OWB browser, with flash and well working html5. So in that sense MorphOS still reigns, regardless of the Timberwolf alpha.

[takemehomegrandma]

Well, thanks to it I can do one thing now that previously I couldn't on OS4... why shouldn't I praise it?

Varthall

If you're ready to discuss pro's, then you should also be ready to discuss con's.

But perhaps it's best to not make any comparisons at this point and wait with highlighting benefits and disadvantages until the software is here in a *release version*, when we *can actually see* what's *really* on the table?

What you really are doing isn't praising Timberwolf, you are voicing frustration about the extremely poor web browser situation you had to live with for so long on OS4. Fact is there is nothing special about Timberwolf alpha worth praising, it merely aims to come close to what everyone only takes for granted in 2010, nothing more, nothing less.

[Varthall]

Out of interest, what is it? :-)

Downloading videos and MP3s from various sites which weren't supported by ClipDown, which uses GetVideo. I hope to make also the on-fly conversion to mp3 via mencoder/ffmpeg work, which would be VERY handy, although I could probably do the latter via an arexx script.
Another useful plugin is DownThemAll, which automatically downloads all the links available in a page with the possibility to select a filter on the type of the linked files. I got this add-on almost working in Timberwolf, too.

Varthall