New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA

[Einstein]

...and GIZMODO.COM.AU talks about this new AMIGA/Keyboard referring to this thread on AMIGA.ORG!

Did I get a mention ?

[BigBenAussie]

I am sure I am going to regret this.

Your right this just keeps getting better.
 
Looks like commodore usa's 5 point plan for success is failing.
 
1) Copy your marketing and website from apple almost word for word.

Yeah...that was rather unfortunate. I've been nagging for him to change that for ages.
He says it was meant as a template and he never got around to changing it.
Still, I would hardly call it a criminal offense.

2) Imply your creating a new computer when all your doing is slapping a sticker on a cybernet zpc that says commodore, even when you have no rights to do so.

We've been over this several times, and if you don't like the answer there is no use whining over and over. So many well known brands do this re-branding thing with their appliances and devices. Get over it.
As to the bit about the rights. What would you know? You don't know he doesn't have the rights to do so. Perhaps you don't come from a country that believes in innocent until proven guilty.
I am satisfied that there is a negotiation going on. I don't have any idea if it will be successful. That's the nature of negotiations.

3) Imply your creating another new commodore computer when your just taking another off the shelf computer and slapping your fake commodore stickers on them.

I don't think they're fake stickers by the way. Not that I've seen one yet.
Maybe, I'll be able to scoop that too, when my Phoenix arrives.
As to their legality, I'm confident that there is an arrangement.
You can doubt, but you are still making an accusation that is not based on any evidence.

4) Send your monkeys to post in commodore and amiga sites hoping to
make a buck with your scam.

He didn't effing ask me to do this. He had no idea. I posted here of my own accord.
I saw a new computer on the CommodoreUSA site and thought it would be worth sharing.
Later, when I wanted some more details I shot him an e-mail.
I've been a member here since 2004, and I had a scoop to share.
I object to being called a monkey. That was uncalled for.
It's about as baseless as me calling you one of Hyperion's monkeys for getting on Commodore's case.
You're so eager to see conspiracy theories where there are none.
As to making a buck.... I really don't see how.... but if I did something worth money I'd expect to be paid I guess. Although quite frankly, I just want a Commodore company to finally break away and succeed again. Must I apologise for being a fanboy now?

5) Start lying about buying the rights or negociating for the rights to the commodore name after you get caught red handed using the name without the legal rights to do so.

Huh? I don't even see what he could possibly gain by lying....
And the red handed stuff....from who? If you're talking about that Commodore Gaming kerfuffle. I already explained it. I wouldn't take anything you read in these gadget sites seriously. They're not real journalists and they're just trying to generate page hits.

Whats ausieben the huge fan of this jackoff  got to say now?
 
Steven

I dunno....what can I say?
I'm unimpressed with your analysis?
You're obviously trying to get a rise from me?
What do you want me to do?
Stoop to your level of name calling?

[the_leander]

You're obviously trying to get a rise from me?

What do you mean, trying? I'd say he got one hell of a bite

What do you want me to do?

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[BigBenAussie]

@the_leander

:-)

It'll heal.

Thanks for my new desktop wallpaper. ;-)

[the_leander]

You're welcome

[jj]

If anyone is interested I am starting a company called Commodore UK.  I ill be selling these uber cool smartphones.  They really are the next big thing.  They look rather suspect and might actually be Nokia N900 with a hand-drawn commodore UK label and the Nokia name scrapped off.  It will be the worlds first commodore smart-phone.

To garner interest I selling these cool T-shirts and vouchers for £50 that will give you a discount when the phone is released.

Who interested ?

[Kronos]

@JJ

Don't forget to put some Atari-logos and doubios claims of TOS-compability somewhere on the page (which text you will have nicked somewhere from microsoft.com).


Perfect !

[jj]

@ Kronos

Well the N900,sorry I mean the C900,  does have Amiga, Commodore, Genesis, Snes to name but a few emulators.  So maybe I could claim its all of them and set-up different companies to sell them.  Maybe no one will notice and if they do can claim in negotiations to abtain licence.

Maybe could rip of a few websites in process and even have a depiction of mohamed on there.

Some people will be bound to believe any cock and bull story I tell them when questioned

[the_leander]

If anyone is interested I am starting a company called Commodore UK.  I ill be selling these uber cool smartphones.  They really are the next big thing.  They look rather suspect and might actually be Nokia N900 with a hand-drawn commodore UK label and the Nokia name scrapped off.  It will be the worlds first commodore smart-phone.

To garner interest I selling these cool T-shirts and vouchers for £50 that will give you a discount when the phone is released.

Who interested ?

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

1000 Internets to you sir for possibly the most topical laugh of the month!

[jj]

Why thank you kind sir

[varmfskii]

The only review of the Asus screenless laptop (aka "Commodore" USA Invicta) said it's too slow for 720 p.  There's no more reviews, either the people that buy these things don't write reviews or they don't sell very well.

Kinda hard to believe it is too slow for 720p considering that I have found that the typical netbook (using the right software) is fast enough for 720p.  Then again whoever reviewed it was probably trying to watch the video under Windows and using some crappy hog of a video player.

As far as the whole Commodore name goes, for me a Commodore is a C64 or a C128 (maybe a VIC-20 or a Pet).  An Amiga was an Amiga even though it happened to be a Commodore product just like an Apple is an Apple 1, 2, or 3. the Lisa was a Lisa and a Macintosh is a Mac.  Unlike many Amiga people, I never much cared for the C64 (or 128) so the Commodore brand has little nostalgia value for me.

[jj]

Kinda hard to believe it is too slow for 720p considering that I have found that the typical netbook (using the right software) is fast enough for 720p. Then again whoever reviewed it was probably trying to watch the video under Windows and using some crappy hog of a video player.
 
As far as the whole Commodore name goes, for me a Commodore is a C64 or a C128 (maybe a VIC-20 or a Pet). An Amiga was an Amiga even though it happened to be a Commodore product just like an Apple is an Apple 1, 2, or 3. the Lisa was a Lisa and a Macintosh is a Mac. Unlike many Amiga people, I never much cared for the C64 (or 128) so the Commodore brand has little nostalgia value for me.

 
I have to agree with you.  Always thought the commodore 64 was over hyped.  There were better 8 bits around , like the Amstrads.
 
I went from Amstrad to Amiga

[Tension]

I have to agree with you.  Always thought the commodore 64 was over hyped.  There were better 8 bits around , like the Amstrads.
 
I went from Amstrad to Amiga

Shirley you cant be serious?

[Amiga_Nut]

Cause, surfing the net on a phone is the most comfortable, versatile thing ever!  Totally streamlined.  Do you write most of your hamfisted replies from your phone?

This is supposed to be a computer, not a home theater experience.  Watching high res videos is best left to gigantic TVs and home theater equipment.

It isn't like back in the 80s, the C64 or even the Amiga provided you with a home theater experience that outdid your hifi and whatnot either.  Unless you had a killer way to play your vinyls on the Amiga, and put a video tape in one.

So why is it crucial that a throwback model does this?



And that is where you haven't left the 80s.   PCs no longer cost a fortune, and consoles provide better looking games and usability at a fraction of the cost.  Durp?  you buy both and stop trying to cram 234923049234 functions into one machine that will end up overheating, being obsolete in 2 years, or breaking when you spill something on it.

computer games weren't cheaper either.  some were maybe, but they usually sucked.

also, wrong about what?  I said two sentences and you didn't address one.  You hardly addressed the other.

Consoles cost the same, and technology gets better so do their games. The same GPUs sold to PC users power the 360/PS3. And as PCs have had games software available since the time of the PET/Vic-20 asking a PC to keep up with a teeny itsy bitsy little 125 bucks console for less than 1k PC tower isn't unrealistic.

You said ... "No. I don't think he did, as it wasn't mentioned in his post. Having an online "arcade" does not mean its competing with a 360 or PS3.

This is a computer, not a video game console."

And this was the reply "He was asked to describe next 'true Commodore' and detailed a machine with lntel Atom CPU which can't even play 720p video files, let alone 1080p  360/PS3 games. I can surf the net on my phone ditto for email/facebook/twitter/youtube/buy crap off ebay.

People play games and watch HD content on 360 for far less....."

Nothing about a throwback to anything which you made up, it's was about a spiritual successor to the Amiga. The whole point was that a spiritual successor to the Amiga today would have to do everything the best consoles do (ie not PS2 looking Wii games) as well as the top end i7 CPU equipped PC. So just like the A500 did in 1987 compared to £200+ Sega console on import and £1000+ for a PC-AT towards 1990. As the original post I was replying to was detailing another member's personal description of a spiritual successor to the Amiga using some rubbish Intel Atom and lame graphics card like a netbook I said this was not suitable.

1. The fact that even a mobile phone can be used to talk on msn/post on facebook/watch youtube/bid on ebay was to show a computer like an Atom based solution being able to do only that, and nothing else, in 2010 is pretty redundant as a next generation anything. I didn't imply anything beyond the fact that a mobile phone has enough CPU power to do all these things you are limited to doing on an Atom based machine. You made a lame attempt to imply I said that (and failed).

2. Did people watch streaming movies/TV shows via their NES/Genesis or PC-XT/AT then in your imagination? Nope so why ask if the Amiga did? Again you were trolling. All people did was play games on consoles and do office work on PCs so all the Amiga had to do in the 80s/90s was play similar games and run similar office software as PCs for less. As a PS3 and 360 both happily play 1080p video and you can't buy non HD TVs anymore I expect it from a 'new Amiga' successor too, naturally, as high end PCs easily playback 1080p too.

3. I also said any new spiritual successor to the Amiga would have to do everything for only 2.5 the cost of a powerful console like a 360. Amiga did everything a PC/Genesis did for 2.5 times the cost of a Sega Genesis/Megadrive even 4 years after the A1000 launched years before the Genesis. Show me a PC for 2.5x cost of the cheapest 360 that can play Alan Wake in 1920x1080x60fps in DX10 even today 4 years after 360s launch date then?

PS Maybe you should email Apple and Youtube and tell them HD is a waste of time, seeing as 360s can't access that content, and they should save themselves a fortune in bandwidth costs by only hosting 360p and 480p videos as PC users aren't interested in HD? It's clear to see the difference between SD and HD quality video on your average  20" monitor/17" notebook screen.

4. You said PCs are not expensive today. Expensive compared to what? Being a bit more intelligent, and comparing like for like, a PC capable of playing PS3/360 quality games will require the following.....

 - A graphics card costing somewhere between the cost of a new PS3 and 360.
 - A Quad Core or low end i7 CPU costing as much as a PS3.

still leaves motherboard, memory, hard disk, case, PSU, Blu-Ray or DVD drive, copy of Windows etc. Did you fail Maths at school then? Because to me it looks like a PC of similar capability to a 360 is at least 5x as much...same as in 1989/1990 with a 286 vs Genesis console then.

5. There are no overheating issues with the latest high-end ATI/Nvidia cards or the Intel Quad Core Extreme or i7 CPUs. So your claim an all-in-one PC solution overheating is based on what exactly? Cost is the only issue with choosing to not buy a PS3/360 for HD gaming.

6. Console games and PC strategy games were far more expensive than Amiga disk games in the 80s here. NES/Genesis games cost 40-50 bucks and PC games cost the same. Amiga games were 20-25 bucks. Do some research next time.

End of the day there is no excuse, 360 uses Microsoft code running on a PowerPC CPU with a standard ATI GPU from half a decade ago to display games in a quality that costs 4-5x more in PC hardware. And the basic things people do with computers you can still do with an old Pentium III laptop or an iPhone. If there was a spiritual successor to the Amiga it should be 2.5x cost of a 360 and do all these things. There isn't which was the whole point.

So no, there is a difference to how it was, today you can get a console or get a PC costing 5x as much to play the games in the same quality. Your alternative choice is non existent.

[haywirepc]

Perhaps my earlier post was a bit harsh... But I just don't see why anyone would want to support someone who copied their whole website from apple word for word, and then imply they are creating new computers
when they are obviously just putting a "sticker" on it that says commodore.
 
Call it what you will, a brand logo, a sticker, it is essentially just putting a sticker on an existing product. No where on the site does it say he is just "partnering" with cybernet and rebranding the computer. The site implys at least they are new products created by this shell of a company. I don't believe its a company at all, one guy copying apples website, and illegally using a brand name doesn't make a company. For the record, it is illegal to use a brand name you don't have legal rights to to sell any product. It is illegal to brand a product with a trademark or logo you don't have legal rights to. This is not simply my opinion, its a fact, ask any lawyer.
 
Yes other companies rebrand things, but they don't try to pass this rebranding off as recreating a classic computer or try to use a beloved old computer brand to make a buck, which is certainly what this person is attempting.
 
If you want to pay a couple hundred bucks extra buying one of these products from this guy just because he slaps a commodore sticker on it, fine, but I don't see many people willing to do that.
 
This whole thing just screams "scam" but perhaps thats just my opinion.
I know one thing for sure...You can get a "phoenix" direct from cybernet for a lot less money. You can print your own vinyl commodore stickers if you want to slap on on and pretend its a new commodore computer...
 
One thing I'm sure of... If this joker running this "company" really had good intentions he would not have started off by plagerizing his website from apple, or lying about having the rights to the name, then changing his story to "negociating for the rights now". Its ridiculous.
 
Steven

[the_leander]

End of the day there is no excuse, 360 uses Microsoft code running on a PowerPC CPU with a standard ATI GPU from half a decade ago to display games in a quality that costs 4-5x more in PC hardware.

Citation needed.

And the basic things people do with computers you can still do with an old Pentium III laptop or an iPhone.

Depends on what those "basic things" are. I for one wouldn't fancy trying to type a novel on an iPhone, for instance.

If there was a spiritual successor to the Amiga it should be 2.5x cost of a 360 and do all these things.

According to you. As I said previously: Your definition of what constitutes a "new Commodore" is solely yours.

So no, there is a difference to how it was, today you can get a console or get a PC costing 5x as much to play the games in the same quality. Your alternative choice is non existent.

Citation needed.