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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #74 on: May 29, 2010, 03:53:02 AM »
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...because I'm bored, I'll do a little brainstorming.

How much capital do I have?  What's my target demographic?  Who should I view as my competitors?

Assuming I have unlimited capital...

First and foremost, I buy up every license I have to until I'm the SOLE copyright owner to the Commodore/CBM name.  With unlimited capital, this means I'd be buying all of the various 'Amiga' names, too, and also probably Cloanto.

It almost seems that the current owner somehow thinks that Apple, HP, Dell, Lenova, etc. are who he's up against.   I think that, to a SMALL extent, Apple might be, but certainly not HP, Dell, Lenova, etc.

The C64 is, in my mind, an oddity in that it not only competed against Apple (and IBM) back in the day, but also against Atari, Nintendo, and Sega.  That is to say, it's a computer, sure, but it's primarily an entertainment computer.  (Okay, I guess that was true of all computers of the era to some extent, but in my mind, the C64 was better at it than other computers...)

I'd say that our new C64 should largely be designed to be used on a television, in the living room, rather than in the study.  Towards that end, I really see Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft as my three largest competitors.  I'm not saying the new Commodore should be designed as a console, but rather that it's chief competition for the time and money of a perspective buyer are these other consoles, and that should garner some serious consideration when the feature set is planned.  Wireless HDMI, high-def video playing capability, and wireless internet access would probably be must-haves.

I'd say that our new C64 should also be designed to be SIMPLE.  The OS should include a modern browser, a capable email client, and a word processor capable of loading and saving office compatible documents.  Creating a Commodore version of iLife would be a good idea, because initially the amount of software for this beast is going to be limited, so why not give the consumer what they need out of the box.  I'd say that if you could include 10 revamped versions of iconic C64 games that'd be perfect.  I'd also borrow heavily from Apple/nintendo/microsoft and have a Commodore version of iTunes/Wiistore/Xbox Arcade where you could, for a small fee (a dollar or two a game?) download classic C64 games in some sort of encapsulated format that includes the documentation in a PDF format and a simple click-to-play format.  No fooling around with setting up emulators.  Every game you buy comes ready to play without your having to fool around with anything.  In addition to repackaged classic games running in emulators, you'd also want to give developers the opportunity to sell 'modern' games designed to take advantage of the hardware.

The more I think about it (again, pretending that capital is no problem), the more I REALLY like the idea of using BEOS as the core of my operating system and having Windows-support available as a 'boot camp' sort of option.  I'd also pull an Apple and work hard to keep my OS off of other hardware.   99.9% of the reason to buy Apple hardware is the desire to run Apple software.  I'd say the goal with our Commodore OS should be the same.

The aesthetics of our C64 should be a nice, simple homage to the original breadbox.  I'd hire the best design team I could find and give them pictures of the original breadbox, with instructions to 'modernize and pay homage'.  There should be 0% doubt that the finished product is the 2010 version of the C64, and there's a lot more to that than just being a keyboard with a system board integrated.

I think I'd dub the system the Commodore 1024.  Give it a medium powered Atom and a gig of memory.  In 6 months, we'll launch the Commodore 2048d, which is a desktop system with wireless mouse/keyboard, a more powerful Atom, 2 Gigs of memory, and an available matching 24" 1080p LCD panel. :)

Don't even get me started on a year or two down the road, when we start taking advantage of those Amiga trademarks we bought up today. :D


You expect to compete on equal terms with a $150 Xbox360 for gaming/home entertainment using an Intel Atom based solution? Don't think you've thought this out well ;) Doesn't have to be a C64 specific successor, it's only now that Commodore and Amiga are two distinct brands.

IF, and I do say if, there was ever to be a machine which is a spiritual successor to the Amiga/C64 again you would need something pretty special. It would need to be priced half way between an Xbox 360 and a PC capable of running DX10 games like Alan Wake at 50-60FPS, so that would be approx $800 minimum. It would need to cost half way between the two....so about $300-400.

And then....you would have to do something innovative with the OS and applications. In 1985-87 on an A1000 you could digitise photo-realistic images, sample sounds for instruments in music, create cartoon animations or photo montages etc all using the best ideas like a GUI desktop with multi-tasking. Also unlike PCs it was a simple case of popping in your game disk and playing a game fuss free like a console (after loading KS once with on screen graphical prompt).

What could you do with your 1984 Mac 128k? Nothing much beyond playing with the GUI OS really. And your DOS/Windows v1/v2 8086 PC? Bugger all except boring office stuff and some rubbish CGA ports of classic arcade games like Zaxxon or text adventures from Infocom.

Anyway OS X/Linux/Windows (any) can happily do anything 99% of the Facebook/MSN generation today want to do. OK some do it faster/more reliably than others but the difference is unless you really put in 25 years of OS advancement since the GEM/Mac/Amiga time of 1985 like things bordering on artificial intelligence built into the OS you can't claim your OS is doing something other machines can't. And that's the difference today.

And Microsoft/Sony will not licence their console motherboards for you to write an OS and sell as a rebranded machine and there is no way to build a PC with that sort of power and features within the $150-200 gross cost.

So you are basically screwed on the hardware price/performance AND the OS. That's why today we are back to the pre C64 days of expensive gaming rigs and functionally competent consoles for a fraction of the cost of high end computers but sod all computer like functionality and freedom. There is no best of both worlds type hybrid for less than equivalent PC/Mac.

Atom CPUd low end stuff is paired with a purchase of an xbox 360 to meet gamers needs. So they can play stunning games and watch 1080p media but still also blog on Facebook/surf the web/chat on MSN etc.
 

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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #75 on: May 29, 2010, 04:34:02 AM »
From the other board it also appears that large chunk of "Commodore" USA's website are plagerised from Apple's Mac Mini page....
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #76 on: May 29, 2010, 04:05:33 PM »
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You expect to compete on equal terms with a $150 Xbox360 for gaming/home entertainment using an Intel Atom based solution? Don't think you've thought this out well ;) Doesn't have to be a C64 specific successor, it's only now that Commodore and Amiga are two distinct brands.



No.  I don't think he did, as it wasn't mentioned in his post.   Having an online "arcade" does not mean its competing with a 360 or PS3.

This is a computer, not a video game console.
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #77 on: May 29, 2010, 05:11:11 PM »
Quoted from AW.Net....

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but the Commodore USA story gets worse and worse. Compare http://www.commodoreusa.net/Commodore_Phoenix_computer.html to http://www.apple.com/macmini/design.html.

"There’s nothing like Mac mini. At just 6.5 inches square and 2 inches tall, it’s designed to take up far less room — and use far less energy — than any other desktop computer."

"Introducing the Commodore Phoenix. There’s nothing like it. At just 17.5 inches wide and 2 inches tall, it’s designed to take up far less room — and use far less energy — than any other desktop computer."

"Small. Simple. Beautiful. Mac mini has a sleek, anodized aluminum case and clean, white surface. It’s small, elegant, and unassuming. In fact, it looks so simple it's hard to believe it’s a computer at all."

"Small. Simple. Beautiful. [The Commodore Phoenix] has a sleek, aluminum finish case and a clean, contemporary surface. It's small, elegant, and unassuming. In fact, it looks so simple it's hard to believe it's a computer at all."

...and so on. It continues down the page. He doesn't do himself any favours, does he?
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #78 on: May 29, 2010, 08:27:18 PM »
Awesome!

I wouldn't expect anything less from a guy sitting in his basement editing pictures badly with a pirated copy of Photoshop while planning to take over the world with the Commodore brand name.
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2010, 09:28:17 PM »
Your right this just keeps getting better.
 
Looks like commodore usa's 5 point plan for success is failing.
 
1) Copy your marketing and website from apple almost word for word.
 
2) Imply your creating a new computer when all your doing is slapping a sticker on a cybernet zpc that says commodore, even when you have no rights to do so.
 
3) Imply your creating another new commodore computer when your just taking another off the shelf computer and slapping your fake commodore stickers on them.
 
4) Send your monkeys to post in commodore and amiga sites hoping to
make a buck with your scam.
 
5) Start lying about buying the rights or negociating for the rights to the commodore name after you get caught red handed using the name without the legal rights to do so.

Whats ausieben the huge fan of this jackoff  got to say now?
 
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #80 on: May 30, 2010, 03:06:43 AM »
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No.  I don't think he did, as it wasn't mentioned in his post.   Having an online "arcade" does not mean its competing with a 360 or PS3.

This is a computer, not a video game console.


He was asked to describe next 'true Commodore' and detailed a machine with lntel Atom CPU which can't even play 720p video files, let alone 1080p or 360/PS3 games. I can surf the net on my phone ditto for email/facebook/twitter/youtube/buy crap off ebay.

People play games and watch HD content on 360 for far less money. Most PS3/360 owners also have a PC to do other things a console can't OR people just have a gaming PC costing $1000s to save spending $150 on a 360.

So that's where you are wrong. People bought Amigas in the late 80s, even early 90s in EU, because it saved you buying both and cost less than just a PC. Amiga had games comparable to a 16bit console (cheaper too), did everything a topend 286 Windows PC did.

If you made a $350 computer today that did everything a PS3/360 did, ie played the same  1080p games and full HD movies, but also did basic computing it would sell, and more than this Invictus rubbish.

So a 'new Commodore' needs to be that alternative choice between an expensive gaming PC and cheap console, for a mid-point price. but the days of world beating custom chips made by 3 guys in a garage are over so it's never going to happen.
 

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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #81 on: May 30, 2010, 03:12:39 PM »
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He was asked to describe next 'true Commodore' and detailed a machine with lntel Atom CPU which can't even play 720p video files, let alone 1080p or 360/PS3 games. I can surf the net on my phone ditto for email/facebook/twitter/youtube/buy crap off ebay.

Cause, surfing the net on a phone is the most comfortable, versatile thing ever!  Totally streamlined.  Do you write most of your hamfisted replies from your phone?

This is supposed to be a computer, not a home theater experience.  Watching high res videos is best left to gigantic TVs and home theater equipment.

It isn't like back in the 80s, the C64 or even the Amiga provided you with a home theater experience that outdid your hifi and whatnot either.  Unless you had a killer way to play your vinyls on the Amiga, and put a video tape in one.

So why is it crucial that a throwback model does this?


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So that's where you are wrong. People bought Amigas in the late 80s, even early 90s in EU, because it saved you buying both and cost less than just a PC. Amiga had games comparable to a 16bit console (cheaper too), did everything a topend 286 Windows PC did.

And that is where you haven't left the 80s.   PCs no longer cost a fortune, and consoles provide better looking games and usability at a fraction of the cost.  Durp?  you buy both and stop trying to cram 234923049234 functions into one machine that will end up overheating, being obsolete in 2 years, or breaking when you spill something on it.

computer games weren't cheaper either.  some were maybe, but they usually sucked.

also, wrong about what?  I said two sentences and you didn't address one.  You hardly addressed the other.
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #82 on: May 30, 2010, 03:36:38 PM »
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He was asked to describe next 'true Commodore' and detailed a machine with lntel Atom CPU which can't even play 720p video files, let alone 1080p or 360/PS3 games.


I was under the impression that like the VIA chipset that comes with the Nano, the ION chipset offered hardware decoding for various codecs precisely so that the Atom would only be shuffling the data rather than doing the grunt work (assuming you have the drivers).

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So a 'new Commodore' needs to be that alternative choice between an expensive gaming PC and cheap console, for a mid-point price. but the days of world beating custom chips made by 3 guys in a garage are over so it's never going to happen.


Actually the point about these sorts of system isn't world beating performance but as a small system that fits into your current lifestyle without requiring masses of room - computers that aren't intrusive. Asus make an absolute killing on these sorts of systems, Apple have practically built themselves on precisely this model.

Your definition of what constitutes a "new Commodore" is solely yours.
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #83 on: May 30, 2010, 04:13:44 PM »


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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #84 on: May 30, 2010, 10:02:01 PM »
The only review of the Asus screenless laptop (aka "Commodore" USA Invicta) said it's too slow for 720 p.  There's no more reviews, either the people that buy these things don't write reviews or they don't sell very well.

Most people I've seen with a computer hooked up to their TV tend to do it with a small tower and bluetooth controls, it's a similar effect except the bluetooth key board doesn't require a power cord whilst these screenless laptops do...  That option offers far more power at a lower price and better cooling.  

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I was under the impression that like the VIA chipset that comes with the Nano, the ION chipset offered hardware decoding for various codecs precisely so that the Atom would only be shuffling the data rather than doing the grunt work (assuming you have the drivers).



Actually the point about these sorts of system isn't world beating performance but as a small system that fits into your current lifestyle without requiring masses of room - computers that aren't intrusive. Asus make an absolute killing on these sorts of systems, Apple have practically built themselves on precisely this model.

Your definition of what constitutes a "new Commodore" is solely yours.
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #85 on: May 30, 2010, 10:03:41 PM »
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The only review of the Asus screenless laptop (aka "Commodore" USA Invicta)

The "Commodore" unit is not the Asus unit.  Link to the correct machine is in the thread, and it has slightly different specs.

edit: hey, you posted the link, you should know that already.
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #86 on: May 30, 2010, 10:12:13 PM »
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The only review of the Asus screenless laptop (aka "Commodore" USA Invicta) said it's too slow for 720 p.  There's no more reviews, either the people that buy these things don't write reviews or they don't sell very well.


Earlier in this thread the fella who was trying to big this up claimed it was fitted with an ION chipset, if it is, it would be substantially more capable than the GMA500 that's fitted to the eeepad and the vast majority of netbooks.

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Most people I've seen with a computer hooked up to their TV tend to do it with a small tower and bluetooth controls, it's a similar effect except the bluetooth key board doesn't require a power cord whilst these screenless laptops do...  That option offers far more power at a lower price and better cooling.


The eeepad was equipped with a battery apparently good for 3+hrs. And yes whilst the form factor isn't ideal (I'd go so far to say it's trying to do too much and failing to do much) it is more in line with the current line of "lifestyle" PCs than a big box in the room.
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #87 on: May 30, 2010, 10:29:50 PM »
Sorry I mixed the machines up in my last post. It's 7:30 on a monday morning, off to work I go....
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #88 on: June 02, 2010, 04:33:28 PM »
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #89 from previous page: June 02, 2010, 06:32:14 PM »
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...and GIZMODO.COM.AU talks about this new AMIGA/Keyboard referring to this thread on AMIGA.ORG! :)


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